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In defense of the 1010

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arice

03-30-2006 09:35:52




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Well, I"ve read quite a bit of 1010 bashing. I"d bet that comes from people who don"t own one. I bought one a couple of months ago. The second thing I did to it was tear it completly down and start rebuilding. Altough the guy who owned it before me took horrible care of it the old beast seems to have run fine for him. It certainly was running fine when I bought it (95 PSI in each cylinder).

I guess when you tear it down and start to rebuild it is when you become attached to a machine almost as old as you are.

Anyway, anyone who wants a machine without quirks ought to hire all their work done, "cause they just don"t get what it means to coax and nurture one of these old work horses.

All this said, I haven"t yet put the 1010 back together, so here"s hoping it starts.

Al

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Loren NC

04-01-2006 12:50:56




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 Re: In defense of the 1010 in reply to arice, 03-30-2006 09:35:52  
Well, I guess I might as well add my two-cents worth! I own a 1010. Not long after I bought it, my dealer told me the only thing worse than a 1010 or 2010 gas tractor was either one with a diesel engine. He said they came the closest to bankrupting J-D that anything ever has. Those comments were just before he told me he would not even consider working on the hydraulic system on my 1010 because they are too complicated. Having said all that, mine does what I need it to do. However, I do have to agree with the comment made below about the brakes. They have about a five inch disc for the brake. Not nearly enough! With a little wear and tear on the pedals and linkages, there is NO WAY to lock the brakes and expect them to hold the tractor on any kind of steep slope. But those of us who own them know that and we compensate! Like I said, it does what I need it to do.

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buickanddeere

03-31-2006 16:46:58




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 Re: In defense of the 1010 in reply to arice, 03-30-2006 09:35:52  
Any 1010 gasser is fine. Any 1010 or 2010 diesel can be suspect. A late 2010 gasser with the chassis updates is likely ok.



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lloyd in sc

03-31-2006 05:36:44




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 Re: In defense of the 1010 in reply to arice, 03-30-2006 09:35:52  
I also own a '62 1010 seems to work OK. IMHO I think they started of by offending the 2cy purist that didn't like the new direction the JD Co was going. They seem to keep their value however. Seem to sell about $4K if in decent shape.



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Roy Suomi

03-30-2006 19:44:12




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 Re: In defense of the 1010 in reply to arice, 03-30-2006 09:35:52  
I also worked at several Deere dealerships in the 70's and 80's.. I once talked to an older ready to retire Deere rep that stated that the 1010 and 2010's were pulled from the assembly lines and were parted out when the 350 and 450 first came out . The 1010/2010 orders were cancelled and replaced with 350/450. How's that for faith in your product?? We had a 1010 loader tractor with a hook on the end of the loader and a fork lift attached to the rear.. It was the handiest darn machine around. I once put a 3 x 3 box of old pins and bushings on the fork lift and picked a Cummins diesel from a Galion road grader.. The tires squatted but it came out.. She was affectionatly called " The Old Dog "...

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Leroy

04-02-2006 08:34:01




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 Re: In defense of the 1010 in reply to Roy Suomi, 03-30-2006 19:44:12  
I have never heard of a 350-450 Deere (Could those have been industrial models?) and 1010 replaced by 1020, 2010 replaced by 2020



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Stan - Florida

03-30-2006 19:06:53




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 Re: In defense of the 1010 in reply to arice, 03-30-2006 09:35:52  
You've received several comments from people more knowledgeable than me, so all I can do is quote J.R. Hobbs in a Green Magazine article several years ago..."If you get a good one, you can't break it. If you get a bad one, you can't fix it".

Good luck,

Stan



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Machinery-man

03-30-2006 13:56:42




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 Re: In defense of the 1010 in reply to arice, 03-30-2006 09:35:52  
I"ve owned a 1965 1010, it is the later series model. Personally I would not own another. My complaint was the low torque of the engine and rpm needed to gain power.



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jdemaris

03-30-2006 11:30:57




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 Re: In defense of the 1010 in reply to arice, 03-30-2006 09:35:52  
I think I'm qualified to comment since I own several 1010s and also have been working on them since they were new - at several Deere dealerships. When the 1010 came out, it appeared to us that it was designed in a hurry and utilized many "left over" parts and designs from older equipment. The 1010 engine uses the same engine mounting bolt pattern as a 420 two-cylinder, and the gas engine, is more-or-less, the same size in cubic inches as a 420. It just has four small cylinders instead of two big ones. Generally speaking, there are several Deere models that needed improvement when first introduced, and they were with subsequent Deere updates. But, the 1010 and 2010 series did NOT get updates in ceratin areas that really needed it. #1 is the brakes. The brakes in the 1010 series of wheel tractors NEVER worked adequately, not even when new. I could write a long story about it, but won't bother. God help the poor guy that has a loaded wagon hitched to the back and goes down a steep hill. #2 is the one-seal per sleeve design. It is not reliable. Deere also kept this design with the next series engines as used in the 350s, 450s, 1020s, 2020s, etc. But, the second series benefitted from an update kit that retrofits special sleeves that use three seals each. Deere never did it though, for the 1010 or 2010. 1010 and 2010 crawlers did get several updates, and many later 350 parts were used to beef-up the 1010 crawlers. You mention the prospect that most 1010 bashers probably never owned one. Maybe true to a degree, but not in my case. But, I'm not really bashing either. To put things on a relative scale, and comparing the 1010/2010 series to other Deere tractors - it is absolutely one of their worst efforts. That being said, it does not mean it's a bad tractor. I still like them, but accept them for what they are. If not comparing to other Deere tractors of the same general time period, and taking into account all the other makes, I can think of MANY tractors that were of worse design than the 1010/2010 series.

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John J. Otto

03-30-2006 10:29:00




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 Re: In defense of the 1010 in reply to arice, 03-30-2006 09:35:52  
and besides that it's a JOHN DEERE



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MH

03-30-2006 10:24:20




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 Re: In defense of the 1010 in reply to arice, 03-30-2006 09:35:52  
Ive used a 1010 gas for a long time. Never had any real issues with it & think it is a good little tractor. Probably will need a rebuild soon, but it will be its first, & its hard to say how many hours are on this little guy.



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Mike M

03-30-2006 10:06:53




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 Re: In defense of the 1010 in reply to arice, 03-30-2006 09:35:52  
I have owned one (briefly) and worked on a few. Here's my thoughts as I have also heard the bashing all my life.

Compared to "most" other John Deere designs they are not up to par as far as ease of working on them goes. I tend to think of them as John Deere's copy of a Farmall. Poor brakes and steering shaft running through gas tank and radiator are a tip off.

I tended to stay away from them for the most part because of all the bad hearsay I heard about them. Lately I am also tending to agree with you and defend them solely on the basis of after 40 + years I'm seeing (because of the internet)the tremendous amount of these still around and running. And there's no way I can see that they could of been junk and lasted all these years.

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