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B. Abseck

03-14-2006 23:39:00




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I have finally decided on a JD 730G or JD 730D with elecric start. I don't want to fool around with a pony start. I'm curious to know how many of you currently have them or have owned them in the past. Did/do you enjoy them ? Was there anything inherently wrong with them? Comments will be appreciated.




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ChadS

03-16-2006 15:07:32




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 Re: Popularity of 730's in reply to B. Abseck, 03-14-2006 23:39:00  
Dad has a 1958 730 gas, I remember it pulling 4-16 pull type plow in 4th gear decent soil. Its been in the family for over 20 years now, 66hp, live pto, PS, 3pt, fenders. Only parts we have really replaced on it has been the clutch disks, and points. I prefer the gas version, they can sing ya to sleep in the feilds. They did not make so many gas versions of the 730, I seen the picture of the LP down below,, thats a nice one! ChadS

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Bruce Abseck

03-17-2006 08:12:46




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 Re: Popularity of 730's in reply to ChadS, 03-16-2006 15:07:32  
Chad, Is your Dad's tractor for sale? If so, where is it located? You can contact me again here or send me an email.



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730virgil

03-15-2006 20:50:39




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 Re: Popularity of 730's in reply to B. Abseck, 03-14-2006 23:39:00  
i have 730 diesel with 45 loader on it .
i love it ! i would like wide front and 3 point on it , as someone else said they are pricey to add on . yes i use it the way weather forecast sounds i will be pushing snow with it on friday . most of northren il and southren wi are winter storm warning . RATS !



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deerechaser

03-15-2006 16:48:05




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 Re: Popularity of 730's in reply to B. Abseck, 03-14-2006 23:39:00  
I have a 1959 730d pony start the tractor is awsome I have been pulling 4-14's in everything from sand to clay just as deep as you can get the plow in the ground. in light ground I can run in 3rd and 4th gear but in the clay 2nd works good and you can plow all day without putting any fuel in it. as for driver comfort there is alot more room with the pony than the electric due the battery box size and the sound of that small engine reving up just sounds good.

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GPWT

03-15-2006 11:10:49




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 Re: Popularity of 730's in reply to B. Abseck, 03-14-2006 23:39:00  
I have been using a 730D RC ES with a WF as a chore/utility tractor for 11 years now. It's been very reliable, comfortable to operate, requires little maintenance. It will cut into your fuel supplier's profit though.



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B. Abseck

03-15-2006 11:44:34




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 Re: Popularity of 730's in reply to GPWT, 03-15-2006 11:10:49  
GPWT, Thanks for your input. I have a question though, what does the "RT" stand for. Sorry for showing my lack of tractor knowledge.



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B. Abseck

03-15-2006 11:46:15




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 Re: Popularity of 730's in reply to B. Abseck, 03-15-2006 11:44:34  
GPWT, Sorry about that, I meant "RC".



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GPWT

03-17-2006 09:28:23




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 Re: Popularity of 730's in reply to B. Abseck, 03-15-2006 11:46:15  
RC=row crop, as opposed to standard tread or high crop. It's by far the most common 730 configuration.



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B. Abseck

03-17-2006 09:33:40




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 Re: Popularity of 730's in reply to GPWT, 03-17-2006 09:28:23  
GPWT, Thanks I don't know why I couldn't have figured that one out for myself.



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Glen in TX

03-15-2006 08:44:37




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 Re: Popularity of 730's in reply to B. Abseck, 03-14-2006 23:39:00  
My uncle had a 730 LP I borrowed a few times so we could keep 2510 on the baler while planting wheat with the 730. I liked the 730 well and would have bought it to keep myself but this one didn't have a PTO and narrow front so it eventually got sold. Find one with all the options you want like PTO, 3 point, wide front and make sure they work well as they are expensive to add later. The 730 I ran seemed to have stronger hydraulics than the 2510. I know the LP is not for everyone because of fuel handling situation but if you have that system available they aren't bad at all. Once you have ran a 730 LP in the field you will want another one. I still want another one. Had some power steering problems with that 730 but once got that fixed and tuned up it ran well. You are going to find many of these with poorly maintained power steering and they need to be flushed and oil changed but they do wear out also as they were the work horse on a farm during their day. Two new style 12Vs on a 24V system with new larger cables is a lot better and I changed several to that and no more problems. You can't use the wimpy auto supply cables on them.

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B. Abseck

03-15-2006 09:55:47




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 Re: Popularity of 730's in reply to Glen in TX, 03-15-2006 08:44:37  
Glen, It seems I can always count on you for a fair response. There are a few LPs currently for sale on this site and in the past, everyone's opinion on the LPs was very good. The only problem is that I don't have a LP tank on my property and would have to keep hauling propane bottles in the back of my truck and I don't know how many times or how often I would have to go to town. There is a 730 LP in Minnesota that the man wanted $6000 for. It is peculiar because he is listing it again and now wants $6500. I have never seen anyone go UP in price when their tractor doesn't sell. It appears to be in good condition though. If you get the chance, take a look at it and tell me what you think. Thanks again for taking the time to help with this question.

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Glen in TX

03-15-2006 22:09:23




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 Re: Popularity of 730's in reply to B. Abseck, 03-15-2006 09:55:47  
Bruce, I found it and doesn't look bad after I lightened the pic some. Doesn't mention a PTO either? I would want all the options I could get for that price. Can understand the problems with refueling a LP tractor for you and gas or diesel would be easier. I can't remember how many gallons of LP the 730 holds but you really got to work a long day to run 2-3 tanks out. LP is still more common here because there was so much of it in the past and still a lower price on fuel.
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B. Abseck

03-17-2006 08:19:54




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 Re: Popularity of 730's in reply to Glen in TX, 03-15-2006 22:09:23  
Glen, Like always, you make a good point of things (LP less expensive) but from the picture it appears to be a pretty nice one. I just can"t get over the guy going UP in price. I may go down to the Decatur area in April to see my brother. He lives just down the road from a man that has quite a number of JDs available. I guess he has 2 730 LPs that I can look at and possibly even operate (for the first time). Should be interesting!!

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Glen in TX

03-17-2006 09:24:49




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 Re: Popularity of 730's in reply to B. Abseck, 03-17-2006 08:19:54  
Bruce, That will be good to look some over and get a chance to run them. Propane has went up here too this winter like everywhere else but maybe not as high as some places. Guess it just depends on the supplier and how they were set up with contracts so it's really not any less expensive to run sometimes. Makes you wonder if he added something like new tires to go up on price or what? Here it seems the diesel 730 is harder to find in good shape and I've found one local but they want to much for it for it's condition. Seems the LP tractors here got retired sooner from heavy work and doing lighter work as diesels got more popular so many are still in decent shape. I bet you find one on your trip. Have fun.

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B. Abseck

03-17-2006 09:40:14




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 Re: Popularity of 730's in reply to Glen in TX, 03-17-2006 09:24:49  
Glen, Thanks for the well wishes. I really do want to get the 730 and I have seen in the past that you post pics of implements for guys with questions. When and if you can get the time, I need advice about the right type plow,disk,drill etc.. that would work best with this model tractor. Anyway- give it some thought and know that I welcome your input and suggestions. Have a good day and hope the fire situation will get better quickly for all of you down there. Bruce

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Glen in TX

03-17-2006 09:55:06




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 Re: Popularity of 730's in reply to B. Abseck, 03-17-2006 09:40:14  
Bruce, I'm not as familiar of how much plow or disk it would pull as most 730s here got retired to lighter row crop work and planting duties later. The weather gurus say we are in for a long dry fire season April to June yet but I hope they are wrong. We stayed here on the west side of panhandle to protect our own backyard for now since they got more help with other fires and most of our trucks are too old and slow anyway. Cooler today and chances of rain but wind is up again and the wind is what has really been hurting on the fires lately. Thanks and have a good visit when you go.

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B. Abseck

03-17-2006 10:15:40




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 Re: Popularity of 730's in reply to Glen in TX, 03-17-2006 09:55:06  
Glen, One last question and I'll leave you alone for awhile. Which guys on this forum (in your opinion) are the ones to ask about the right implements for the 730?



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Glen in TX

03-17-2006 11:37:30




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 Re: Popularity of 730's in reply to B. Abseck, 03-17-2006 10:15:40  
Bruce, I read the other posts here too and everyone is great about giving you a good opinion for what works in their area and soil. It will all depend a lot on soil conditions, yearly moisture, frost out of the ground in your area, condition of equipment disks or blades, tractor tire condition, and other things like crop residue. I never did any heavy work with 730 or 70 or 2510 and did all that with a 5010 and 6030. Like for example with dry conditions here now no matter how much HP you have you don't expect to go out there and chisel deep and rough on our cloddy soil to get the soil worked back in condition for a spring crop. On a small acreage it doesn't matter as much but on larger acreages we just didn't have the time to deep break plow anymore and to conserve soil moisture and residue we went to chisel plows and sweeps mostly only using a disk or oneway when we had excess trash from a good crop. Now you can't do it that way anymore because of fuel costs and equipment expense. On your acreage just depends on how you wnat to farm it too and no one here can tell you exactly how. I always thought that was the fun of it, live and learn and try to do better or try something different next time. :)

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Thomas Donahy

03-15-2006 05:45:23




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 Re: Popularity of 730's in reply to B. Abseck, 03-14-2006 23:39:00  
DearB. Abseck

Don't needlessly torture yourself! If you want a 730 buy a gas model. They can be worked on under a tree instead of in a diesel shop and for a fraction of the cost. They are also more comfortable as your feet are all scrunched up on the diesel. Diesel models are best if you want smoke and noise.



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B. Abseck

03-15-2006 09:46:40




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 Re: Popularity of 730's in reply to Thomas Donahy, 03-15-2006 05:45:23  
Thomas D, I'm 5'7" (a shorty) and I've never sat in the seat of one of these 730s. Would I feel all "scrunched up" ? You make a good point about repairs though as I have never owned a tractor and want to make my first one a good experience. Any other feed-back?



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mjbrown

03-15-2006 10:26:15




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 Re: Popularity of 730's in reply to B. Abseck, 03-15-2006 09:46:40  
B;
I'm 5'7" and I have a 730D. I fit fine on it . I can see how a tall guy would feel confined. I think the average man in the fifties must have been shorter than today.



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B. Abseck

03-15-2006 10:47:38




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 Re: Popularity of 730's in reply to mjbrown, 03-15-2006 10:26:15  
mjbrown, Thanks for the information- that eases the mind.



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Bob

03-15-2006 07:51:57




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 Re: Popularity of 730's in reply to Thomas Donahy, 03-15-2006 05:45:23  
Thomas,

The diesels MAY get pricey to work on, but if he buys a fairly good one, it will work about forever without many repairs, especially for light work, and "play".

I can see no reason to fear a diesel 730 in good running order.



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Mike M

03-15-2006 09:45:30




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 Re: Popularity of 730's in reply to Bob, 03-15-2006 07:51:57  
Except define or even better yet try to verify "good running order" ?

Those 2 cyl. diesels will start and run with alot of problems ! more so than other models and they have alot more parts to wear. If you don't think so just start counting up all the pumps on one. With every pump it has to pump properly plus keep fluids sealed in and out.



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John T

03-15-2006 07:17:17




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 Re: Popularity of 730's in reply to Thomas Donahy, 03-15-2006 05:45:23  
Thomas, can you send me an e email to [email protected] I tried to e mail you using the address given at GOG but Im having trouble. Maybe e mail me so I can reply and we will see if it works???

John T [email protected]



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Mike M

03-15-2006 06:09:39




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 Re: Popularity of 730's in reply to Thomas Donahy, 03-15-2006 05:45:23  
That's a really good point about being all scrunched up. I forgot about it as I mostly run my model M and they don't have much room ! I have a 720 D electric start and those brake pedals on the 720 are terrible as they stick back so far about into the battery box. The 30 series pedals are alittle better and I wish I would of changed mine over to that style when I had it all apart.



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Mike M

03-15-2006 05:43:02




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 Re: Popularity of 730's in reply to B. Abseck, 03-14-2006 23:39:00  
If you are just wanting a toy than I would go for the gas model. If you are going to work it than they would suck up too much gas and then I'd go with a diesel model. The diesels are going to be more worn out and prone to problems and harder to work on in general.



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B. Abseck

03-15-2006 09:40:42




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 Re: Popularity of 730's in reply to Mike M, 03-15-2006 05:43:02  
Mike M, Is the 730G easier to work on than the diesel. Do you think a gas model in good condition has enough power to pull a plow? Thanks for your time in this question.



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Mike M

03-15-2006 12:29:40




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 Re: Popularity of 730's in reply to B. Abseck, 03-15-2006 09:40:42  
I have worked on both. My uncle has a 730 gas model too. The gas and diesel tractors are built totally different. The gas model is by far easier to work on.

I have to agree with what Thomas D says,If you have your heart set on a 730 get a gas one. Since it's for fun and not work. Only problem is going to be finding one as I think they are kinda rare which is another plus. And Oh Boy ! if you could actually get ahold of an all-fuel model these have to be real rare,but you can just run it on reg. gas.

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barnrat

03-15-2006 04:47:13




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 Re: Popularity of 730's in reply to B. Abseck, 03-14-2006 23:39:00  
I currently have a 730D electric start. When I started my dairy 6 years ago I had 2 730D electric starts, an 830 electric start and a 50. I used the 730's to mow, disk, run silage blower and spread manure. I've never had a pony start tractor, and I've had few problems with the electric start system. The trick I found is good heavy clean battery cables and buy the biggest batteries you can fit in the box. I liked the fuel economy of the 2cyl tractors. I've since moved away from using the 2 cylinders regularly on the farm, as my farm is hilly and the lack of a good braking and park system on those old beasts has become a liabilty in my opinion.

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B. Abseck

03-15-2006 09:36:09




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 Re: Popularity of 730's in reply to barnrat, 03-15-2006 04:47:13  
barnrat, Thanks for taking the time to answer my question. In your opinion would a 730 in good mechanical shape be able to handle a 3 bottom to plow approximately 25-30 acres?



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barnrat

03-15-2006 11:10:14




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 Re: Popularity of 730's in reply to B. Abseck, 03-15-2006 09:36:09  
I borrowed a 3-16 mounted plow one time and ran it on the 730 It did a pretty good job. In my heavy soils you need about 70-80 drawbar hp to pull 4 bottoms. I bought both my 730s in good mechanical shape and using them regularly I had few problems. I put brakes on both, changed a few batteries and cables. Had a fly wheel loosen up and had to be replaced(a common problem) and recently I rebuilt the PTO on the one remaining 730.

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Mike M

03-15-2006 09:54:45




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 Re: Popularity of 730's in reply to B. Abseck, 03-15-2006 09:36:09  
I would think a 3 bottom would be ideal(my uncle uses 3 on a 620) it should go even 4, but why work it to death ? If you are going to do alot of heavy field work you can't beat the Diesel for economy ! If it wasn't for this outstanding fuel economy I doubt they would of ever sold half as many as they did. After all these years and all the technology only one tractor beat it ,but barely. The Yanmar made for Deere model 1650.

In fact if you only need a 3 plow tractor you will be better off with a model 620 or 630.

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B. Abseck

03-15-2006 10:53:58




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 Re: Popularity of 730's in reply to Mike M, 03-15-2006 09:54:45  
Mike M, A guy like me is fortunate in the fact that I don't have to make a living with the tractor. The heaviest work it will have to do is the plowing and only on a few acres. I don't like the idea of working anything to death. In everything that I have been reading on these forums, a lot of guys say that the 730 could pull a 4 bottom. I just think it would go easier on the tractor to pull a 3 bottom. Just don't know which model would hook up the best with a 730. Any suggestions?

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Thomas Donahy

03-15-2006 10:27:48




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 Re: Popularity of 730's in reply to Mike M, 03-15-2006 09:54:45  
Dear B. Abseck
The 730 diesel has a different operators platform than th 730 gas due to the fact that the 24 volt starter on the diesel is on top of the block rather than under the block like the gas model. This is what makes the diesel so uncomfortable. The gas model will have just as much power as the diesel and will be snappier.



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B. Abseck

03-15-2006 11:00:22




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 Re: Popularity of 730's in reply to Thomas Donahy, 03-15-2006 10:27:48  
Thomas D. In your posts to me, you didn't mention if you have a 730 now or in the past. You seem to think a lot of the 730G and it sounds like you have one. If so, how long have you had it and what do you use it for? Also, what would you think would be a fair price to pay for a wide front with PTO, 3 point in good condition?



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Mike M

03-15-2006 10:53:28




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 Re: Popularity of 730's in reply to Thomas Donahy, 03-15-2006 10:27:48  
I don't think the starter location has anything to do with it. It's the size of the battery box as it extends out over the platform.



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Bruce Abseck

03-15-2006 11:04:57




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 Re: Popularity of 730's in reply to Mike M, 03-15-2006 10:53:28  
Mike M. All my life I hear everyone say, "It's not the starter location that counts, it's the size of the battery box that matters!" LOL



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Markuss

03-15-2006 18:15:48




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 Re: Popularity of 730's in reply to Bruce Abseck, 03-15-2006 11:04:57  
I;ll bring this up since no one else has...a 720 gas or diesel is the same as a 730 but might be cheaper....they look different though.
I have a 720 D and they have a lot of power and even though it is a pony start - I still like it. I WILL be converting it to a 12 volt ES kit this summer. That pony is a lot to mainatain.

I can run this thing hard all day long and use less diesel than the amount of beer I drink!

THere is nothing like hearing that diesel pound and pound, the neighbors come out to see what is going on...stand in awe at the mighty tractor that John Deere made 49 years ago!

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Bob

03-14-2006 23:45:49




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 Re: Popularity of 730's in reply to B. Abseck, 03-14-2006 23:39:00  
After you've maintained 4 batteries for a while, and all the associated connections and learned all the "quirks" of a Deere 24-Volt system, you may redefine the term "don't want to fool around with a pony start".

I grew up driving an electric start "830", and have had both electric start, and pony start 730's, and, IMHO, if you are using the tractor day in and day out, the quick starts of an electric start, kept up to "par", are GREAT, how ever, if the tractor is started only a few times a year, and kept as a "toy", the pony start is easier to fire up, needing only some STA-BIL in the gas too keep it fresh, and one battery to fire it off.

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B. Abseck

03-15-2006 01:30:58




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 Re: Popularity of 730's in reply to Bob, 03-14-2006 23:45:49  
Bob, I thought that a person could place two 12 volt batteries on these tractors, am I getting wrong information? Also, you really didn't state what your opinion on these tractors is. Thanks for responding.



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Bob

03-15-2006 01:52:46




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 Re: Popularity of 730's in reply to B. Abseck, 03-15-2006 01:30:58  
Yes, some folks DO run the two 12-Volt batteries. You will still have your complicated (for those who don't take the time to understand it) 24-Volt system, grounded to the tractor chassis at it's midpoint, system.

If kept as-original, though, they use four 6-Volts.

I (foolishly) sold my last 730 quite a few years ago,but I have a 4020, with a similar system, and "buck" the suggestions of some folks to switch it to 12-Volt, because it does work pretty well as it is. Since I use the tractor only occasionally, I have installed two 12-Volt battery maintainers to keep the batteries up when not used for a long time, and extend the life of the batteries.

I LOVE the tractors. As I stated, I grew up doing heavy fieldwork with the 830, and later, we also had 730's, which I spent a lot of hours on, mowing, raking, baling, and hauling hay.

Also, we ran a big grain dryer with the last 730 we had. However, it was tougher on the PTO and driveshaft on the dryer (due to the pounding of the "odd-fire" 2-cylinder) than the 4020. The 730 seemed to use quite a bit less fuel, though.

The PTO clutches on the 730's can be a bit tricky to set, and expensive to fix if abused, or they simply wear out. They do the job, if kept adjusted, but I always thought they were NOT one of Deere's best efforts.

All in all, the 730 diesel represent some of Deere's best efforts in the "Johnny Popper" series for agility and fuel economy, and I hope someday I can afford to get my hands on one, again!

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