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To replace camlifters or not to...that is the ques

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61-4010

02-14-2006 03:31:15




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Howdy. Overhauling a 1961 4010D. I"m replacing the camshaft (with new) and pondering over whether to replace the camlifters and/or rods too. They don"t seem worn....camlifters are nice and straight. So...should I spend the extra $130ish on new lifters? And then what about rods?




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vf4x

02-14-2006 16:55:37




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 Re: To replace camlifters or not to...that is the in reply to 61-4010, 02-14-2006 03:31:15  
The lifters can be resurfaced.



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G/MAN

02-17-2006 13:31:23




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 Re: To replace camlifters or not to...that is the in reply to vf4x, 02-14-2006 16:55:37  
For $10.50 per lifter for brand-new ones from Deere, I wouldn't even think about resurfacing the old. I doubt you'll find any machine shop that's going to resurface the old ones for $105.00.



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61-4010

02-14-2006 10:19:14




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 Re: To replace camlifters or not to...that is the in reply to 61-4010, 02-14-2006 03:31:15  
Thank you G/MAN and Bob. Great info. I"ll be getting new lifters and will have the rods reviewed. The info on the break-in process is very beneficial. THANKS AGAIN.



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G/MAN

02-14-2006 07:33:56




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 Re: To replace camlifters or not to...that is the in reply to 61-4010, 02-14-2006 03:31:15  
Bob is correct. It's usually acceptable to put a new lifter on an old camshaft lobe, but never acceptable to put old lifters on a new lobe. Most of the new cams I've installed have come with lifters. Are you sure they're not included with your new camshaft? If not, I'd look for a "kit" that has the camshaft and new lifters, as it will likely be cheaper than piecing them out. Also, you want to properly break in the camshaft. Use proper cam lobe lube on the lobes and lifter bases. Once you have the engine running (prelubing is a very good idea before startup), make sure everything seems to be okay and that there aren't any major leaks, and then get the engine throttled up some and off idle. Proper camshaft break-in requires good lifter rotation, and that usually means getting the engine spinning over at a good clip, not just putting along at 800 rpm. 1500-2000 rpm once it's ran for a few minutes won't hurt a thing. I'd also strongly recommend using Deere Break-In oil, and you'll want to work the tractor good and hard for several hours to seat the rings. A good regulated load on a PTO dyno is best. Once again, putting around isn't going to cut it, and that's pretty much a sure way to guarantee glazed cylinder walls and a poor ring seal, and oil consumption and poor performance out of your freshly overhauled engine. The reason I recommend the Deere Break-In oil is that most of the modern, high-quality diesel oils (Deere Plus-50, Shell Rotella, etc.) are getting so good at preventing wear that they'll prevent the necessary wear that lets and engine break itself in properly. We run Break-In oil for 100 hours on every new overhaul, change the oil and filter and run Break-In for another 100 hours. As far as your rods go, have them checked by a machine shop. At most all they'll likely need is the big ends resized and possibly new pin bushings. If the shop has Deere diesel experience, they'll likely update the rods for torque-turn rod bolts, if it hasn't been done previously. I think this involves honing the big ends slightly oversize, as the torque-turn rod bolts provide greating clamping load and change the fit between the bearing shell and rod.

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Bob

02-14-2006 04:09:24




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 Re: To replace camlifters or not to...that is the in reply to 61-4010, 02-14-2006 03:31:15  
Simple question.

If replacing the cam, replace the lifters. They are ground with a "crown" to the face, so they slowly rotate for even wear and long life.

When they wear flat, they will no longer rotate, and will shorten the life of the new cam.

It is NEVER advisable to use old lifters with a new cam. (Lifters cam often by refaced by a cam outfit that knows what they're doing, and has the correct machinery), but if you can get new ones for $130.00, that's the way to go.

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JD man in SD

02-15-2006 18:25:32




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 Re: To replace camlifters or not to...that is the in reply to Bob, 02-14-2006 04:09:24  
Bob never say never JD tek manual for 619 engine in 8640 states check lifter for pitting or cupping if none fond reuse this was a big suprice to me when replaceing cam in my tractor but good as lifters are $80.00 plus ea. i used mine over i have 1500hrs on new cam no problems



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