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Old style hyd. cylinder

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AlanD

02-12-2006 05:10:35




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I have an older style John Deere cylinder that I want to use with my 630. It appears that someone used it with a newer, higher pressure tractor and blew out all the seals. Are re-build kits available? The casting number on the cylinder is A3162A. Thanks in advance for any responses.




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johsn48b

02-12-2006 10:46:43




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 Re: Old style hyd. cylinder in reply to AlanD, 02-12-2006 05:10:35  
try marlyn smith at 712-489-2570 and see if he has a good one. might be cheaper if you can't find all the parts you need.



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Hayfarmer

02-12-2006 09:07:36




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 Re: Old style hyd. cylinder in reply to AlanD, 02-12-2006 05:10:35  
I rebuilt one a few years ago. I don't think there was a rebuild kit available and neither were most of the parts. The front seal around the shaft is a chevron type, you could get it at a hydraulic store. The cups in mine were ok but I needed the but the spacer washer under them was bad and not available. I used a piece of leather from the upper part of an old boot and it worked fine.



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RHA

02-12-2006 07:42:32




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 Re: Old style hyd. cylinder in reply to AlanD, 02-12-2006 05:10:35  
It takes 3 pieces to rebuild the cylinder. A3164R gasket
A3169R Seal (2 used)
I can't find the bill but I don't think it was that bad. The retaining washer on the seals may need to be flattened in the center. Definitely don't check on a high pressure tractor or you will get to do it over again.



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F-I-T

02-12-2006 09:48:31




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 Re: Old style hyd. cylinder in reply to RHA, 02-12-2006 07:42:32  
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I think it takes more that just those parts. You didn't mention the seal(s) that are located at the actual moving shaft. This is where you will see oil from a �blown� seal. The others are on the piston and will only show as a cylinder that is leaking internally and not lifting.

There were at least three different versions of the pistons and seals depending on the age and based on a late-styled "A" book.

There is a �kit� that JD says contains all of the seals and gaskets needed, but you�ll want to check a parts book carefully after you disassemble your cylinder to determine if the kit will have what you need. The price I found for the kit purchased through my dealer was around $80, which might be considered high, but you have an authentic remote cylinder when you are finished with the rebuild. It might also be expensive because it might include some upgrade parts. I do not know this for a fact, but for example, the seal kits for 45 loader cylinders are very expensive because they incloude the entire front giide bushing. Buying the parts separately in that case is lots cheaper.

However, if you go to JDParts.com and total the numbers 14 (2x$719), 15 (2x$1.84), 10 ($5.12), 29 (8.91), 35 ($35.64), you get a number around $70.00. That front double "Vee" seal is half of the total price.

This is from JDParts.com:

Part Number: AR21770 Part Price: $80.50 USD On Hand: 0 Check Other Stores

Description:KIT REMOTE CYLINDER OVERHAUL /PARTS

Frank

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AlanD

02-13-2006 03:08:03




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 Re: Old style hyd. cylinder in reply to F-I-T, 02-12-2006 09:48:31  
Frank,

Thanks for the detailed response. Would it be possible for you to post the page out of the parts manual that shows what part numbers go with the key numbers in the diagram above. That exploded view is exactly what I needed. I bought 3 of these cylinders at a sale and would like to use them with my vinitage John Deere implements. By the way I checked on JDpart.com and mine shows $70.00 for the AR21770 part number. Do prices vary that much by dealer? One final question. I also have a larger cylinder that has a casting number of F827R. Anyone know what parts catalog that might be in?

Thanks to everyone that responded.

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F-I-T

02-13-2006 08:29:42




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 Re: Old style hyd. cylinder in reply to AlanD, 02-13-2006 03:08:03  
>>Would it be possible for you to post the page out of the parts manual that shows what part numbers go with the key numbers in the diagram above. That exploded view is exactly what I needed.

I'll try to get it to you. Can you send me your e-mail? Mine is [email protected]

>>I bought 3 of these cylinders at a sale and would like to use them with my vinitage John Deere implements. By the way I checked on JDpart.com and mine shows $70.00 for the AR21770 part number. Do prices vary that much by dealer?

Yes, they surely do. My dealer has a mark up on the JDParts.com page that is not reflected when I order the parts from him. So I just use it for a rough number.

>>One final question. I also have a larger cylinder that has a casting number of F827R. Anyone know what parts catalog that might be in?

Yup, that's a "G" cylinder and it is found on pages 142-143 of parts catalog # PC369.

Frank

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matthies

02-12-2006 06:11:16




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 Re: Old style hyd. cylinder in reply to AlanD, 02-12-2006 05:10:35  
Last time I checked, the seal kit alone was more expensive than a new 3X8 from a farm supply store. chris



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