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1950 MT won't start/run -- help

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dap-ky

10-27-2003 14:13:21




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I was going to use my 1950 MT this morning (It gets relatively regular use, the last time being Friday pulling a disk). This morning, it started and ran fine. I hadn't gone far when as I was heading up a small, short incline, it sputtered and then started coughing and firing intermittently until it died about a minute later. It will fire intermittently when I try to restart it and puff out whitish smoke. I figured the float valve is probably stuck, but I don't really want to have to open the carb. If I need to, I guess I will.

My manuals were no help in figuring out what the problem is or what to do. I thought I'd ask for some help from ya'll before I decided to open up the carb. Of course, I'm not sure what I would do once I opened it -- at least not at this point.

The points were dirty a couple months ago -- the symptoms from that and those of today are quite different.

Thanks for your help!

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tom

10-28-2003 05:02:43




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 Re: 1950 MT won't start/run -- help in reply to dap-ky, 10-27-2003 14:13:21  
Dap-ky,

You already have a decent punch list of things to do.

When was the carb last overhauled? If you do not know, then now is s good time to buy a TSX-245 carb overhaul kit...

After that, check and see if your points are dirty againm and make sure the gap is set correctly...either .020 or .022...see your manual.

If she starting acting while you were on an incline, then that seemed to vary the gas intake, then led to bad firing...as Russ said, either pull the s-plugs and clean them, or replace them if too pitted or burnt real bad.

If you overhaul the carb., clean/change the plugs and clean/reset the points and the problem still persists, then it could be somewhere between your ign. switch and coil...try these things and if the problem persists, post back.

Lastly, make sure you have good fresh gas and check your air-breather to make sure it is not clogged...change the oil if you have not within the last 20-30 hrs...

good luck,
tom

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jdman(MO)

10-27-2003 16:13:58




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 Re: 1950 MT won't start/run -- help in reply to dap-ky, 10-27-2003 14:13:21  
First thing put in a new set of plugs. Russ



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Henry J

10-27-2003 15:51:11




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 Re: 1950 MT won't start/run -- help in reply to dap-ky, 10-27-2003 14:13:21  
Dap

I would check and see if a plug wire wouks show a blue snappy spark when pulled off a plug and allowed to jump to ground.

If you got weak or no fire, check to see if you are getting battery voltage to the batt side of the coil. If not put a jumper wire from the starter lug to the batt side of the coil and stry to start it. If it runs then it is likely the ignition switch.

All of the above doesnt work check and make sure you getting a good unrestricted flow of gas to the carb.

Good Luck

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dap-ky

10-27-2003 16:10:09




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 Re: Re: 1950 MT won't start/run -- help in reply to Henry J, 10-27-2003 15:51:11  
Henry,

I'll check the things you mention in the morning. I appreciate you're response. And, yes, there is a good, unrestricted flow of gas to the carb. I also forgot to mention earlier that there appears to be a slow drip of gas from the bottom of the carb, part of why I thought the float was stuck. Also, as mentioned below, it might be a clogged jet. In my mind, if it was something on the ignition side, it would be easier to take care of. It just acted differently this time than when the points were a little dirty.

Thanks.

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R. Marg

10-27-2003 15:47:58




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 Re: 1950 MT won't start/run -- help in reply to dap-ky, 10-27-2003 14:13:21  
question will it run if you hold the chock closed do you get gas out of the drain plug on the bottom of the carb if the answer is yes to both of these then the main jet is clogged up and you need to clean the carb /rebuild hope this helps



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dap-ky

10-27-2003 16:06:10




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 Re: Re: 1950 MT won't start/run -- help in reply to R. Marg, 10-27-2003 15:47:58  
Do you mean the choke? It seems to fire more with the choke closed (still very irregular, though). And, yes, I get gas out of the drain plug on the carb. Also, I forgot to mention one of the symptoms which is probably quite important (I don't know how I forgot, but I did) -- there is a slow gas drip off the bottom of the carb. This drip appears to be coming through the bottom of the carb, not from any connections on it.

It's been frustrating, but I suspect that you're probably right and I'll have to clean/rebuild the thing.

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R. Marg

10-27-2003 16:38:24




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 Re: Re: Re: 1950 MT won't start/run -- help in reply to dap-ky, 10-27-2003 16:06:10  
most carbs have a sort of a over flow thing don't know how to put it in words its a screen but not a screen but any how it lets excess gas out the bottom and if it trys to run better with the choke closed its the carb get a rebuild kit for it and have fun



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