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1953 JD Model 50 gas in crank case.

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Josh Borcherdin

11-17-2005 13:57:43




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I am restoring a 50 JD and when I got it their was gas in the crank case. I've rebuilt the carb and I am wondering if their is anything else that could be causing the crank case filling with gas besides a carb problem?
Thanks, Josh




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John Van Valkenburgh

11-17-2005 18:25:28




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 Re: 1953 JD Model 50 gas in crank case. in reply to Josh Borcherding, 11-17-2005 13:57:43  
Josh,

Its not uncommon to find gas in the crankcase. Usually the carb float is leaking and allowing raw gas to seep into the cylinders, past the rings and into the crankcase. Rebuilding the carb and installing a new needle/seat fixes the problem. Its good insurance to use the fuel shut-off at the tank when you are done for the day.

Later models (including the later 50's) had an automatic fuel shutoff that used engine vacuum to open the valve. These automatic valves sometimes developed cracks in the diaphram which allowed raw gas to flow down the vacuum line and into the engine.

If you are curious about the condition of the rings, the easiest thing to do is a compression test. Low compression does not necessarly mean the rings are bad. You might have a leaking or mis-adjusted valve. However, good and equal compression in both cylinders (both within about 10% of each other) suggests that everything, including the rings are in good order.

When running the compression test, remove both spark plugs. Leave the ignition switch off. Make sure the choke and the throttle are both open. Crank over a few revolutions until the compression stops rising. I beleive you will find a good engine compression reading to be around 115 psi.

Its also not uncommon to have some condensation build up in the crankcase. This is usually blown out the vent as steam once the engine gets warmed up. Generally speaking its a good idea to crank the tractor up and run it till it reaches operating temp to help prevent too much condensation build-up.

Best of luck,
John
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55 50

11-18-2005 07:28:57




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 Re: 1953 JD Model 50 gas in crank case. in reply to John Van Valkenburgh, 11-17-2005 18:25:28  
John, I think you will find that the automatic fuel shutoff is run by oil pressure rather than engine vacuum. Or has my understanding been wrong all these years?



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John Van Valkenburgh

11-18-2005 07:52:31




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 Re: 1953 JD Model 50 gas in crank case. in reply to 55 50, 11-18-2005 07:28:57  
You might be right! My ol 50 has the manual system. Other automatic systems I"m familiar with use engine vacuum to open the valve. I think this is because you can count on engine vacuum being there during cranking whereas engine oil pressure during cranking might be pretty low, especially with a weak battery.

You"ve got me curious now. I"ll have to dig up the service manual now and see. If I had to guess I"d guess that you are probably right, especially since you have one!

Best Regards,
John
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Josh Borcherding

11-18-2005 05:23:07




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 Re: 1953 JD Model 50 gas in crank case. in reply to John Van Valkenburgh, 11-17-2005 18:25:28  
Thanks for the input guys.

-Josh



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Maark

11-17-2005 14:02:31




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 Re: 1953 JD Model 50 gas in crank case. in reply to Josh Borcherding, 11-17-2005 13:57:43  
If it has a oil pressure shutoff on top of the sediment bowl. it is possible that the diaghragm is leaking and needs to be rebuilt. Parts are available from Deere



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Josh Borcherding

11-17-2005 14:10:04




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 Re: 1953 JD Model 50 gas in crank case. in reply to Maark, 11-17-2005 14:02:31  
It does not have a oil pressure shut off just a manual shut off for the gas. Could their be a problem with the piston rings? The engine runs well with very little or no smoke. I don't want to tear into the engine if I don't have to.
Thanks, Josh



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PeterE

11-17-2005 14:25:06




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 Re: 1953 JD Model 50 gas in crank case. in reply to Josh Borcherding, 11-17-2005 14:10:04  
If there is only a manual shut off, then the problem is most likely that someone didn't shut it off after stopping the tractor. I had a similar problem on my B recently.

I think the lesson here is to always shut the fuel off, if you have a manual shut off valve.



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