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51 b carb problem no relief

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Josh Beicker

09-20-2005 07:06:51




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I have a problem with the idle circuit on the carb. I have cleaned all the passages with the drill bits from roberts carburetor and I have also changed the load nozzle. I have also tried to wrapp teflon tape around the stem threads because I read on here that may be the problem. I have ran the tractor with another carb and it ran fine but I just can't get this one to work. I have also checked for vacuum leaks and could not find any. At idle the tractor surges up and down and with the elbow it spits gas out the front a little . If the tractor dies the throat of the carb is generally wet with gas but the whole time while it is running it acts like it is starving for fuel. I have also tried setting the float with no success there either.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
Josh

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ChuckW

09-20-2005 14:10:15




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 Re: 51 b carb problem no relief in reply to Josh Beicker, 09-20-2005 07:06:51  
You have some passages still blocked, there is a secret passage. I persume you removed all the screws and have removed the main jet. Just doesn't sound as though your're finished cleaning or the carb would aspherate.



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P Browning

09-20-2005 13:04:20




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 Re: 51 b carb problem no relief in reply to Josh Beicker, 09-20-2005 07:06:51  
Josh - here is that little test Mike is telling you about.

Testing -- LOAD & IDLE Pathways -- A test is conducted to double-check your carburetor's IDLE & LOAD pathways by manipulating the IDLE & LOAD needles. Here is how it goes: (1) CAUTION: This test involves radical adjustment of both the LOAD & IDLE needles. Before starting the engine, observe the position of each needle lever, and count the number of turns OUT that each of the two needles is at so that you can put them back where they were before this test is run. (2) With the tractor running at least at half-full engine speed, turn the LOAD needle all the way in. The engine will continue to run if the IDLE SYSTEM is open, and if it stops running, -- the idle system IS NOT open! Assuming this test is a pass, reset the LOAD needle where is was and go on to test two below.

(3) With the engine running at least at half-full engine speed, turn the IDLE needle all the way in. The engine will continue to run provided the LOAD FUEL system is open, however, in this mode, engine operation will be a throttling pattern. As engine speed drops, the governor will open the throttle to draw LOAD FUEL because the idle path is closed. This pattern, however, indicates the LOAD FUEL channel is open & working as it should. If the engine stops running, the LOAD FUEL channel is blocked.

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Mike M

09-20-2005 09:11:50




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 Re: 51 b carb problem no relief in reply to Josh Beicker, 09-20-2005 07:06:51  
I would check and double check the bowl vent passages if you still have the baffles in take them out and make sure its clean and open. Did you try to run Pats test of turning one screw all the way in and running only on one circuit then the other ?



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old

09-20-2005 08:21:26




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 Re: 51 b carb problem no relief in reply to Josh Beicker, 09-20-2005 07:06:51  
Sounds like you need to find a pro to rebuild your carb. They can be tricky at times to fix.



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josh Beicker

09-20-2005 11:21:21




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 Re: 51 b carb problem no relief in reply to old, 09-20-2005 08:21:26  
the only thing that I have not tried is to remove the baffle. I gues I will try it and see what happens will it run without it just for a trial purpose to see if that is really the problem.



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Mike M

09-20-2005 11:33:24




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 Re: 51 b carb problem no relief in reply to josh Beicker, 09-20-2005 11:21:21  
They have two stacked in there very hard to clean without removing if they are plugged. I have had several carbs. that had them missing before me and I left them out also never seemed to matter.



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josh beicker

09-22-2005 07:14:01




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 Re: 51 b carb problem no relief in reply to Mike M, 09-20-2005 11:33:24  
I have tried the test and the idle circuit failed. I took the air compressor and blew through the vent and air came out of the drill plug holes. Any other suggestions???



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Mike M

09-22-2005 17:40:19




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 Re: 51 b carb problem no relief in reply to josh beicker, 09-22-2005 07:14:01  
Did the air also come out of the hole inside the throat of the carb. by the choke plate ? This is where it gets it's vent air from. Also should be another hole visable at that end goes into nozzle area. Since it failed the idle circuit test go over them once more. Remove all threaded plugs and idle needle,take a stiff wire like from a mig welder and a good light all passages must intersect so you can SEE the wire from the other end or side. Start at where the idle needle went in,stick the wire in it should come out the bottom while it's in there look in the hole across from where the wire came out on the inside stem a threaded plug should of just been removed from this hole. This is where the secret passage is make sure you can see the wire through this threaded hole and through the small hole inside going over to the other side.Next up the line stick the wire down the hole next to the idle needle passage this one should go down so you can see your wire behind that same threaded hole in front of the secret passage. You can also stick it in the secret passage and see it from both holes on top.Next stick the wire in the two holes at the throttle plate end going through the mounting flange until they bottom out you should be able to look into plug holes on the top and see your wire.Next bend your wire at a 90* leave about 1/2" sticking out then reach into the throttle plate end and stick this wire into each of the 2 little holes in the inside of the throat you should now be able to see the wire looking into the holes in the mounting flange. If you can do all of this without restriction or junk in the way and be able to SEE the wire from the opposite side or ends then your idle circuit should be open and workable. One of my first carbs. gave me fits like your too ! I had overlooked the secret passage,once I opened it up all was good to go.From then on everyone gets a wire poking with a looksee test. Let me know what you find.

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