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pony motor starter questions

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Joe

02-21-2004 13:16:20




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I have a 720D w/pony motor...pony is not running at this time...I put the starter on, new battery, new cables, cleaned the posts and contacts..and cant get the starter to turn very fast....it just seems to turn very slow. I put the positive post to the batter box..is this correct? Negative is going to the starter. After a few revs of the starter, it seems to be acting like a dead battery. SO I put a battery charger on it and it still seems to wear down very fast. I also noticed that the starter seems to be turning the wrong direction...but it doenst go very fast.

I have a second starter and hooked it up to the battery with a pair of jumper cables and it turns the wrong way too...it does spin much faster, but does not spin out where it should to engage the flywheel on the pony motor. Spins counter clockwise.
so a few questions, what gets grounded, this is a 6volt battery, is the correct..I am no electrican by any means , so what am i doing wrong? THANKS!


I have a second pony starter and was looking

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Clooney

02-21-2004 17:15:04




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 Re: pony motor starter questions in reply to Joe, 02-21-2004 13:16:20  
Joe, you ask...

~I put the positive post to the battery box..is this correct? Negative is going to the starter?...>>> Answ, that's correct & the way it came from the factory but that shouldn't have any effect on the starter's turning direction.. Battery polarity doesn't effect most Delco starter motors like the 2- cylinder Deere used as the starter fields are wire wound so they change polarity along with the armature. What the means is the starter spins the same direction no matter how the battery is hooked up...

~On your starter turning slowly?... That sure sounds like you might have a bad battery or poor ground connection.. Try running a ground cable directly from the battery's [+] ground post directly to a CLEAN place on the tractor's chassis [a seat box mounting bolt is an excellent place].. As those tractors get old the battery box starts to corrode & rust at it's attachment to the tractor casting so attaching directly to the tin battery box can be rather poor ground point.. You could also try running a jumper cable directly from the battery's ground post to the starter's case [that will eliminate any chance of a poor battery or starter ground connection]..

~I presume you made sure the battery is full of water & fully charged overnight?

~You might also want to check the pony starter retaining bolts for being tight [I have seen those work loose on a few pony's].. While you are there with a wrench check the bolts that hold the pony to the top of the diesel engine [loose bolts are a source of electrical resistance]...

~On you starter turning backwards??.. That's highly unlikely & the chance of two starters doing that kind of defies the odds.. Are you sure it's turning backwards? If I remember correctly the pony starter should turn counter clock wise when viewed from the rear cover end & turn clockwise when viewed from the nose cone end..

~I guess the place to start is to try by-passing the ground between the battery's ground post & starter's case with a jumper cable... If that doesn't help, try jumping that second starter to a 12 volt car or truck battery [that won't hurt it].. OR, try disconnecting the tractor's 6 volt battery [a must], then disconnecting the pony's distributor wire at the distributor power stud [a must to protect the pony coils from too much voltage], then hooking jumper cables from a 12 volt car or truck battery to the tractor's battery cables.. If it then cranks good you have a bad or low battery , if still doesn't crank good you have bad battery cable connections or a bad starter.. If it still doesn't crank good try jumping from a 12 volt battery directly to the starter's case & solenoid stud [be careful in there as that starter solenoid is kind of tight to the IP area...

~Another thing you could do if you have a volt meter is to measure the voltage across the battery post while cranking [should be around 5 volts], then measure the voltage from the starter's solenoid stud to the starter's case while cranking, probably should be at well over 4.5 volts. If one or the other doesn't fit the above you could have a bad battery, or poor cable connections, or a dragging [worn out] starter..

~It probably wouldn't hurt to have the battery load tested at your local generator shop or auto parts store that has that capability..

~If the starter that's on the pony now engages the pony flywheel & then turns it slowly make sure the pony isn't tight & hard to turn over.. Remove the pony's flywheel inspection cover & try turning the pony with a screwdriver, if difficult to turn you could have a tight pony..

~Post back or E-Mail with any questions & we'll be happy to answer them...

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