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4010 Loader Hydraulics

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61-4010

04-09-2005 18:15:25




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I have a 1961 4010 Diesel with single hydraulics and 3 point. I am planning to purchase a Model 58 loader which uses a single hydraulic connection. I don"t want to run long (extended) lines from the loader to the back of the tractor hydraulics. Was hoping I could get some advice on adding a set of hydraulics to the right front. Trying to avoid purchasing another selective control valve, etc. And I want it done right (no rigging). So any thoughts/hints would be appreciated.

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Peter Bors

04-23-2005 17:52:46




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 Re: 4010 Loader Hydraulics in reply to 61-4010, 04-09-2005 18:15:25  
Look under your tractor. There might be 2 Quick-connects near the transmission. You have to shut the tractor off to hook them up though, they are always under pressure, they have no remote. I found that out on my Dad"s 2240 when i was helping him spread manure on 4/16/05 Good Luck, there might not be any, but there might be. Peter



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txgrn

04-10-2005 07:22:10




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 Re: 4010 Loader Hydraulics in reply to 61-4010, 04-09-2005 18:15:25  
I tapped the high pressure inlet pipe at the tractor's remote.....put in a tee. Ran the hose over the engine, out the cowl and right to my controls....which I mounted just to the right of the (get on the tractor) hand hold just to the right of the steering wheel.

I sent the return line to the hyd filter cover by drilling and tapping a 1/2 pipe hole then after inserting the connector, welded it to the cover. The return line ran under the tractor secured to the brace that runs under the tractor and supports the loader.

Works great; nice clean installation.

Mark

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61-4010

04-10-2005 05:03:21




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 Re: 4010 Loader Hydraulics in reply to 61-4010, 04-09-2005 18:15:25  
Thanks everyone for the info. I may be asking for more details as I gather my parts list.



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Glen Anderson

04-09-2005 20:21:42




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 Re: 4010 Loader Hydraulics in reply to 61-4010, 04-09-2005 18:15:25  
When we added auxillary hyd. valves to our 3020 and 4020 tractors we obtained our supply/press. from the #10 orb. plug that is located on the R.H.S. of the priority valve(this may already be utilized on your tractor as I think that is where the 3 pt. hitch receives its oil from - it may be possible to install a tee fitting at that point or where Gerald suggests)
We installed the return from our aux. hyd. control valve into the side of the surge pressure relief valve housing located directly behind the trans./hyd. filter housing. If memory serves, I beleive the plug in the side of the surge press. relief valve housing is #10 orb. but it could be #12. I've heard of people introducing the return oil back into the filter housing as Gerald suggests, but I'm not sure why when there is a port already available that only requires a fitting.

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Hayfarmer

04-09-2005 19:36:38




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 Re: 4010 Loader Hydraulics in reply to 61-4010, 04-09-2005 18:15:25  
I would agree that this is the best way. We used to hook up that way when I worked for a JD dealer. You will need a control valve on the loader and it needs to be a closed center valve.



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Gerald J.

04-09-2005 18:55:32




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 Re: 4010 Loader Hydraulics in reply to 61-4010, 04-09-2005 18:15:25  
There is an elbow on the right side near the brake pedals. O-ring fitting into the case, JIC flare pipe going to the rear. That's pressure. Change that to a T. Get a transmission oil filter cover with hole for a 2640, that's the return.

On my 4020, I ran that pressure line to a couple flow restrictor valves (you don't want full flow to the loader ususally and I put on the second one for when I hang a back hoe on the rear) and Pioneer fittings. I use female Pioneer for pressure and male for return that way I always hook them up correctly and can connect the two hoses from the loader or back hoe together to keep them clean when not in use. I drilled the side of my oil filter cover (it is thick aluminum) and tapped it 1/2" pipe thread.

Some say its practical to tap the lines to the SCV valve on the firewall for both pressure and return. I like the scheme I used better, its easier to do. A JD parts man told me about it.

Gerald J.

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Pete/ME

04-10-2005 04:09:45




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 Re: 4010 Loader Hydraulics in reply to Gerald J., 04-09-2005 18:55:32  
Gerald J, I used the same hook-up to make a seperate set of remotes for a Kelly 56 backhoe and a Valby chipper. Haven't tried the chipper yet, but the hoe seems to work O.K. but it sure takes a gentle touch with the contols. What's the "flow restrictor valve" all about?. ('66 4020D, PS) Thanks.



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Gerald J.

04-10-2005 08:56:00




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 Re: 4010 Loader Hydraulics in reply to Pete/ME, 04-10-2005 04:09:45  
The flow restrictor valves are to take away that touchiness.

Flow restriction is a part of the factory SCV valves. They are set to about 5 gpm. The pump is good for 21 or 22 gpm. Getting all that flow to a 3x8 cylinder means it takes 3/4 second for a stroke. And with it taking 3/4 second for operator reaction time, the ends of the cylinder can get knocked loose or off.

At best, without some flow restriction, operating hoe or loader takes sandpapered finger tips, no operator twitches allowed. As you say, "touchy."

I used flow restrictor needle valves (with check valve so they only restrict flow in one direction but in my application they only see flow in one direction) with micrometer adjustment heads that were made by Prince and sold by Northern Tool (also Baum Hydraulics). Allows me and my calloused finger tips on ham fists reasonable loader and back hoe control without limiting the available force.

Some think the flow restrictor valves are for pansies. I think those valves preserve the equipment AND the environment its being used in.

Gerald J.

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Pete/ME

04-11-2005 03:07:34




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 Re: 4010 Loader Hydraulics in reply to Gerald J., 04-10-2005 08:56:00  
Gerald J.-And here I thought I was just getting old. Guess I'll get the valve from Northern and wear a pink hat. Northern has one in their cat. with a 3/8" port for about $25, should I thread it into the control block and attach the inlet hose into it? Thanks



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