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What is a ROCK SHAFT?

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Bob Starbuck

02-19-2005 17:07:01




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Easy question of a few hundred of you . . . hard one for me: What is a rock shaft?




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Leroy

02-20-2005 06:06:49




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 Re: What is a ROCK SHAFT? in reply to Bob Starbuck, 02-19-2005 17:07:01  
every tractor that has a 3 point , snap coupler or fast hitch or even a garden tractor with a hand lift for a mower has a version of it, even the non hydrolic's car and truck with a clutch has one that operates the clutch throw out bearing



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F-I-T

02-19-2005 17:13:07




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 Re: What is a ROCK SHAFT? in reply to Bob Starbuck, 02-19-2005 17:07:01  
Bob:

A rockshaft is by definition a shaft that does not rotate comletely around, but in a partial arc....i.e. it "rocks".

On a JD, the rockshaft is the lift shaft of the Powr-Lift or on the Powr-Trol. It rocks about a half-turn and that moves an attached bellcrank to lift the cultivators or an attached three-point hitch.

Later models used a front mounted rockshaft actuated by a hydraulic cylinder to lift front mounted equipment. It was even available on some of the early new generation tractors as an option.

Frank

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rej

02-19-2005 19:07:00




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 Re: What is a ROCK SHAFT? in reply to F-I-T, 02-19-2005 17:13:07  
Hey FIT,I need some advice from you about a powr-trol,coupling and remote cylinder problem I posted earlier. Anyway, were's Clooney? BJ



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F-I-T

02-19-2005 19:25:38




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 Re: What is a ROCK SHAFT? in reply to rej, 02-19-2005 19:07:00  
I don't know where Clooney might be off to. What's up?

Frank



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rej

02-19-2005 19:49:00




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 Re: What is a ROCK SHAFT? in reply to F-I-T, 02-19-2005 19:25:38  
FIT,Everythings good down here. Plumbed into the right side of my powr-trol for a remote cylinder,very little up pressure, no down pressure. I changed oil in it today, didn't give it time to get to air out. Metering screw all the way in. What's left. Rockshaft is strong. Talked with previous owner,he's scratching his head. thanks, Bob



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Bob Starbuck

02-19-2005 17:40:16




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 Re: What is a ROCK SHAFT? in reply to F-I-T, 02-19-2005 17:13:07  
Thanks, Frank. I am looking at a '52 "G" on which the two arms (left and right) of its three-point hitch are connected to the l and r sides of that tractor's "rockshaft" or hydraulic lift point(s), right?
Bob



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F-I-T

02-19-2005 17:43:23




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 Re: What is a ROCK SHAFT? in reply to Bob Starbuck, 02-19-2005 17:40:16  
Correct!

On the earlier JD's, the lift unit was called a Powr-Lift, and it went all the way up or all the way down. Later, JD intriduced "Powr-Trol" which gave incremental control to the lifting action, so you could stop it anywhere during the cycle for position control.

Frank



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Bob Starbuck

02-19-2005 17:53:00




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 Re: What is a ROCK SHAFT? in reply to F-I-T, 02-19-2005 17:43:23  
Do you know if a '52 "G" had the latter "Powr-Trol" with its intermediate/incremental control?
Bob



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F-I-T

02-19-2005 18:40:32




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 Re: What is a ROCK SHAFT? in reply to Bob Starbuck, 02-19-2005 17:53:00  
Bob:

Yes, it likely would have. The Powr-Trol came out on the '47 models and it was an instant success. I wanted to add that not only did it give incremental control of the rockshaft, but it also accomodated a remote cylinder, which was the most important feature of the Powr-Trol units. You could operate either the rockshaft or the remote, but not both at once.

Frank



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Leroy

02-20-2005 06:37:36




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 Re: What is a ROCK SHAFT? in reply to F-I-T, 02-19-2005 18:40:32  
I think the power control came out in 45, at least on the A & B series



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Bob Starbuck

02-19-2005 18:59:11




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 Re: What is a ROCK SHAFT? in reply to F-I-T, 02-19-2005 18:40:32  
Thanks again, Frank. I said '52, but I meant '51 for the "G" I am looking at - probably no different, as both are well past the '47 transition. In my research in the IT Shop Manual covering the "G" (and others), it indicates the "Powr-Trol" unit was present on "late production A, B, and G tractors." I am assuming that the 'Trol version was not an option over the 'Lift type for these later years. In any case, I will examine the pump housing the next time I see the tractor and see if it is a match for the illustrations in the manual; my recollection is that it resembled the 'Trol version.
Bob

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F-I-T

02-19-2005 19:23:33




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 Re: What is a ROCK SHAFT? in reply to Bob Starbuck, 02-19-2005 18:59:11  
Bob:

I could be wrong here, because I"ve only ever seen Powr-Trol's on tractors once it became available, BUT I believe you could still order the basic Powr-Lift for less money. I could be very wrong on that, but my thinking is that is both weremutually exclusive options, that the prive dirrerence was likely so small that most opted for the Powr-Trol.

But I am guessing now.

Frank



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Leroy

02-20-2005 06:01:20




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 Re: What is a ROCK SHAFT? in reply to F-I-T, 02-19-2005 19:23:33  
There were a lot of the later tractors with just the power lift, if the purcher wanted to use just a cultivator and thought that he would have no use ever for a remote cylinder then he just bought the power lift and with that he could just kick the foot peddle with his heel and keep both hands free for turning or the clutch, many have been converted with the new style control box that can be put on the power lift as far back as 34 to make them handier and the power lift can be used with a remote chlinder, have seen it done but cannot now tell you how. Leroy from Wapak

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