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60 runnin on 1 cylinder

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Arthur Driesse

02-18-2005 08:57:00




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My 60 is running on 1 cylinder. I got good spark, and i noticed it was wet around the plug (oil).Should I open the valve cover to see if there are any stuck valves?




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Pat Browning

02-19-2005 14:43:55




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 Re: 60 runnin on 1 cylinder in reply to Arthur Driesse, 02-18-2005 08:57:00  
Arthur, you need to find someone near you with a compression gauge (if you don't have one) and do the check! Pull both plugs, then check first one side then the other. Do the test three times on each side. Write down the results. And if you don't know what the readings SHOULD be, simply compare the readings. Just seeing the result will go a long way toward isolating the problem. Folks out here want to help, but you aren't giving us any meat! (PatB)

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AC

02-18-2005 14:02:32




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 Re: 60 runnin on 1 cylinder in reply to Arthur Driesse, 02-18-2005 08:57:00  
If it's the left cylinder, (as you sit in her)

and you hear any kind of grinding, check the cam bearing. I did hay 4 years ago with a JD A thatwas starting to go downhill throughout the year till it just quit hitting on that cylinder, any more than occasionally. Turned out the Left hand Cam bearing was shot, so it wasn't up against the pushrods...best thing to do is take a compression test, then pull the valve cover..

Good luck, AC

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Mike M

02-18-2005 09:06:07




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 Re: 60 runnin on 1 cylinder in reply to Arthur Driesse, 02-18-2005 08:57:00  
I would check the compression first and if it was ok I'd try a new plug if not then pull the valve cover off and check the valves for sticking and clearance.



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JDVan

02-18-2005 09:05:08




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 Re: 60 runnin on 1 cylinder in reply to Arthur Driesse, 02-18-2005 08:57:00  
You might just want to clean the plug or replace it first to see how long and if it will run properly again. It may be just a simple case of plug fouling. Fouling can be caused by the incorrect heat range on the plugs, incorrect plugs, too rich a setting on the carburetor or worn out oil rings on that cylinder. However, all the other possibilities should be exhausted before starting to tear the engine apart.

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Arthur Driesse

02-18-2005 12:17:11




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 Re: 60 runnin on 1 cylinder in reply to JDVan, 02-18-2005 09:05:08  
I cleaned the plug and it didn't make a difference not even for a minute. The plug does spark and the spark is strong, I felt it, Yeeoow. Once it is warmed up it will occasionally fire. If I pull the choke out ( besides choking ) it seems to fire. That oil around the plug just eats me.



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Mike M

02-18-2005 18:16:13




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 Re: 60 runnin on 1 cylinder in reply to Arthur Driesse, 02-18-2005 12:17:11  
Get a known good plug or another new one as sometimes when fouled they won't come back to life by cleaning them.



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JDVan

02-18-2005 12:33:14




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 Re: 60 runnin on 1 cylinder in reply to Arthur Driesse, 02-18-2005 12:17:11  
I wouldn't be too concerned about the oil film, if it isn't firing on that cylinder, it may be just normal residue that isn't getting burned.

Here is a test, squirt some raw gas into the cylinder and then start it up. If it runs a couple of beats on two cylinders then the problem you have is the associated carburetor throat for that cylinder is messed up. However, in my experience cleaning a plug may not necessarily mean it has been fixed. A new plug would be an additional worthwhile test.

You have mentioned that it sometimes runs on two cylinders with the choke partially engaged. That tells me the carburetor passages may be plugged on that cylinder. Cleaning all the passages on a duplex carburetor is a complex task but you might get lucky just removing the carburetor, disassembling it and then soaking it in strong carburetor cleaner for a period of time. Then blowing it out with compressed air and reassembling. It kinds of depends on whether it is a spec of dirt or the ugly gasoline varnish deposits, etc.

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Arthur Driesse

02-19-2005 09:09:04




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 Re: 60 runnin on 1 cylinder in reply to JDVan, 02-18-2005 12:33:14  
Tried a squirt of gas in the cylinder and a new plug but to no avail. If I pull the plug out and smell it, it smells like oil. It's the right cylinder (belt pulley side). Once and a while it will fire for a dozen times or so and then back to 1 again. Should I pull off the valve cover... That oil bugs me.



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JDVan

02-19-2005 18:01:13




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 Re: 60 runnin on 1 cylinder in reply to Arthur Driesse, 02-19-2005 09:09:04  
My guess is that all you will learn by pulling the valve cover off is whether or not you have a valve sticking or not. Which may be the problem but.... there are other things to eliminate before you start doing an overhaul. There is a possibility of a broken ring or two, or an excessively worn engine, that is allowing excess oil into the combustion chamber but that usually provides early indications long before you get to the condition you are presently in.

Let me repeat, There is always some oily rersidue in the cylinder, that is how the piston gets lubricated. If the cylinder isn't firing, over time that will build up to where it could even foul the plug to where it won't fire at all.

All your indicators point me to a carburetor issue. If you have a known good plug in the right cylinder, will it fire on the right cylinder with the choke partially closed? What happens if you switch plugs from cylinder to cylinder? If you remove the cast elbow to the inlet side of the carburetor and while the tractor is running on one cylinder, what happens if you partially or fully cover the right inlet on the carburetor? Is there vacuum being developed on cylinder #2 similar to #1? Is there blow back on one but not the other?

Now to check to see if a valve might be sticking a compression test can be performed. Check both cylinders and compare readings. The absolute readings are not nearly as important right now as is how close to equal they are. Make sure this test is performed immediately following a session where the tractor has been running on one cylinder. Same temps, etc.

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Arthur Driesse

02-21-2005 07:51:18




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 Re: 60 runnin on 1 cylinder in reply to JDVan, 02-19-2005 18:01:13  
I am in the process of cleaning the carb, should know better tonite. While I'm at it, how do I widen out the front axle, I took off the big nut at the back, but how do I get the bolt/pin out of there. Does it screw out or just slide out. Thanks so far, Arthur.



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Arthur Driesse

02-21-2005 10:19:41




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 Re: 60 runnin on 1 cylinder in reply to Arthur Driesse, 02-21-2005 07:51:18  
Cleaned out the carb, runs good. Thanks for the help.



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