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Unstyled D carberator problems

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Jim Rausch

01-23-2005 04:40:13




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Getting a 37 D running wth a rebuilt engine and having problems with the carb. running gas out of the throats. Carb was completly dissasembled cleaned and all brass plugs removed, soaked and passages were cleaned with the drills. New needle and seat was installed, float was checked and is good, float moves freely and is centered in the bowl, float shaft is smooth, all new gaskets and screws and parts were from Roberts. Put it on the tractor and gas started pouring out of the front. Removed took it apart and adjusted the float and still the same problem. We did this several times and are just wondering what are we missing. This is not the first carb that we overhauled so I feel that we are overlooking something. We have clean gas and the carb has the screen in the inlet. Can someone help us try to figure what is going wrong? What is the froat level dimension to the top of the bowl suppose to be when it shuts the gas supply off with the needle and seat? Any help would be appreciated.

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JPatton

01-23-2005 08:05:28




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 Re: Unstyled D carberator problems in reply to Jim Rausch, 01-23-2005 04:40:13  
Jim - Good to see you on this board. Sorry to hear of your Carb problems. I know you have all that equipment and the engineering know how to use it. Now, with the excellent advice from this board you should be on you way to problem resolution. Let us know how things turn out.
J



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Jim Rausch

01-24-2005 04:25:07




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 Re: Unstyled D carberator problems in reply to JPatton, 01-23-2005 08:05:28  
Jerry, I have ued this board before when I get stumped of just for some knowledge from the "experts". I have had good results and there are some very good "experts" willing to help a lot of us. I check this board daily and print off any info that I think I might need sometime in the future. I have a file drawer in the shop with a lot of good info.



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Duane Larson

01-23-2005 07:37:22




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 Re: Unstyled D carberator problems in reply to Jim Rausch, 01-23-2005 04:40:13  
Jim,
Clooney has laid out a good plan for investigating your fuel leakage, but I'll add a couple of thoughts. In my observation from working on carburetors, quality control of the needle and seat makers these days is pretty bad. I always pull a vacuum on the needle and seat before installing them, and about 1/3 of the new ones leak. I have an adapter built to make it easy with a hand vacuum, as described by Clooney.

There are a couple of potential solutions for repairing leaking needle/seats. Set the seat on a vice, put the needle in place, and give the needle a whack with a 2 lb hammer (by a "whack", I mean let it drop about 5-6" onto the needle, not pound the crap out of it). Sometimes that will improve the seat. If that fails, I chuck the seat in the lathe and use a mixture of aluminum oxide polishing compound and work on improving the needle/seat seal until it holds vacuum. If you look at the currently available plated needles under a magnifying glass you will (often) not see a nice smooth surface but rather a wavy plated surface. NOS needle/seats I have really look nice and seal very well. I haven't found a reasonably priced source of viton-tipped needle/seats for the DLTX carbs, which work fine with a CLEAN fuel system in my experience.

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Jim Rausch

01-24-2005 04:13:36




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 Re: Unstyled D carberator problems in reply to Duane Larson, 01-23-2005 07:37:22  
Duane, where are you getting your "reasonably priced needle and seats" from. I had 3 sets from the carb people and all three leaked. You are right about the quality of those. thanks



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chrisfromsolitude

01-23-2005 07:24:20




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 Re: Unstyled D carberator problems in reply to Jim Rausch, 01-23-2005 04:40:13  
I did that one time and it turned out to be the needle. I put a groove in it when I set the float and it leaked. Never would shut off. My needle had that little black end on it though and not the steel one.



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Clooney

01-23-2005 05:15:28




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 Re: Unstyled D carberator problems in reply to Jim Rausch, 01-23-2005 04:40:13  
Jim, a couple of things to help you..

The first is: MAKE SURE you cleaned the bowl vent passage (inside top of bowl) clear back to the choke plate area.. If that is plugged is could cause a siphon problem & make a carb act like yours.

Next,, pull the float bowl (I know on a D that it usually means pulling that darn carb again)� Then use a small tank of gasoline (or mineral spirits if inside a building)�

Then plumb up that tank to the float bowl by itself & watch it.. That will tell the story about your leak as you can watch it.. (you�ll be able to look right into the top of the float bowl as it will work independent of the carb)

If the needle & seat are suspect,, pull it back out & place the needle in the seat then suck on the threaded part of the seat (don�t let your friends see you do this),, then when a good vacuum is created just place the tip of your tongue on the threaded end of the seat.. If it is holding good that seat should stay stuck to your tongue for a short while.. If it falls right off your needle to seat is not sealing (kind of common on some newer needle seat assemblies)

Or,, instead of using your mouth use a My-Ti-Vac hand held vacuum pump if you have one.. (it must hold vacuum if placed on the threaded part of the seat)

If all above good so far,, then suspect the fuel entrance cast iron well (the place the fuel line hooks to) has porosity in it�s bottom (in the rough cast part of the bottom of the well).. I have seem a few of those rust through do to water in the bottom of that well..

At least with that float bowl pulled off & in plain sight you should be able to track the problem down by watching it..

Clooney

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Jim Rausch

01-24-2005 04:20:19




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 Re: Unstyled D carberator problems in reply to Clooney , 01-23-2005 05:15:28  
Clooney, thanks for the info!! Found the "new needel and seat" to be crap and checked the 3 new others and they all leaked. Going back to get mother Deere's next time! Also the vent was plugged deep inside. I thought I cleaned it but I guess I missed that one passage this time. Filled the test tank, hooked up the line, and left it sit on the bench with solvent to see if it held over night. Hope to have good results when I check it this morning. Thanks for all the help from this board!!

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