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Proper spark plug for JD 60

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Tom in PA

01-06-2005 05:31:14




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Greetings,

I just purchased a '56 Model 60 and have it home now. I am in the process of changing the fluids, fixing what doesn't work, and learning about the machine. I pulled the spark plugs yesterday and found I have a D21 Champion on the left cyl and a D16 Champion in the right cyl. The machine runs great, but the plugs need changed. Can someone please recommend the proper plug.

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TOM

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John Van Valkenburgh

01-06-2005 18:48:30




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 Re: Proper spark plug for JD 60 in reply to Tom in PA, 01-06-2005 05:31:14  
Tom,

I've got a 50 and I would think the spark plug requirements would be similar. I've been the most satisified with the Champion D23. I've run Autolites and while they did okay, my 50 seems to cold start a little quicker with the Champion D23.

Generally speaking when I use my tractor I will run it for at least 30 minutes and will usually exceed 170 degrees engine temp. I think this helps to reduce fouling. My 50 will smoke just a bit if it has idled a long time before I rev it up, but otherwise it does not use much oil.

I've heard lots of opinions as to the best plug. Generally the only brand I would not recommend is NGK. Don't know if they make a plug for our tractor anyway. I've had several NGK plugs quit firing after sitting for a month or more in an engine. I assume they develop an internal short from corrosion.

John 1953 Model 50

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TP from Central PA

01-06-2005 13:10:57




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 Re: Proper spark plug for JD 60 in reply to Tom in PA, 01-06-2005 05:31:14  
I have gotten the best service from AC plugs, and believe me I have tried all the others as well. We bought a box of D-21 Champs for our red iron and they seemed to want to foul out often enough it was a headache when I chored with the tractors. Switched to AC C87's and the problem was solved..... ....I do believe the C87's are a tad hotter but for years the D-21's worked good, then all of the sudden nothing but problems. I often here that QC at Champion went down the tubes.

Anyhow, we ALWAYS ran C88L's in the Putt-Putts..... ..and they'd last for years. It didn't matter what you did with the tractor either.

Autolites are better than Champs IMO, but AC's worked the best for us.

How do you like that 60? They are pretty nice aren't they!

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Mike Aylward

01-06-2005 09:36:22




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 Re: Proper spark plug for JD 60 in reply to Tom in PA, 01-06-2005 05:31:14  
I will add my two cents in here. I have had good luck with all the Autolite plugs mentioned here, depending on the application. The 3116 is a good medium duty plug with one possible exception. The center electrode of this plug is a much smaller gauge wire than the 386/388 plugs. This is good in a parade tractor or one that won't see extended heavy use. However, if you are running some compression and go out to plow day with your tractor or use it hard in the field you might possibly see some detonation due to this fine electrode. The small electrode will get warmer and do it's job well in a light duty engine but in an engine that sees "farm duty" it might do it's job too well. Mike

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John51

01-06-2005 08:30:52




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 Re: Proper spark plug for JD 60 in reply to Tom in PA, 01-06-2005 05:31:14  
Tom, I have used all the mentioned spark plugs at one time or another. I had the worst luck with AC C88L and now I run the Autolite 388 in all my two cylinder tractors and my 4020. You will also want a hot plug for the way you'll be running the tractor. John



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John51

01-06-2005 08:32:02




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 forgot in reply to John51, 01-06-2005 08:30:52  
Forgot to mention the NAPA there in town carries them in stock.



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Duane Larson

01-06-2005 07:42:56




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 Re: Proper spark plug for JD 60 in reply to Tom in PA, 01-06-2005 05:31:14  
Tom,
Historically, the JD Field Service Bulletins gave recommended plugs for light, medium, and heavy usage. For the 60 the light use plug was the Champion 10Com, which translates to the D23 today, the AC88LCom which would be the C88L if it were still available, and the Autolite BT10, which translates into the 388 (however, as buickanddeere points out, this is a resistor plug and the 3116 is a non resistor plug of about the same heat range and would by my Autolite recommendation).

One additional advantage of the Champion D23 is its longer length which makes removal easier as a wrench can be put on the hex - but it is harder to find and higher priced than the D21, which is shorter.

Original plugs are often available from Don McKinsey, P. O. Box 94, Wilkinson, IN 46186 - he has a list for $2 (refundable with order) that lists about 70,000 old plugs.

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Clooney

01-06-2005 06:57:40




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 Re: Proper spark plug for JD 60 in reply to Tom in PA, 01-06-2005 05:31:14  
Tom it really boils down to the tractor usage, type of gasoline used, the RPM you want to idle it at, & engine state of health..

IF, you want to farm with that tractor & pull a plow all day long then the Champion D-16 are probably the proper choice..

IF, you want to use it around the estate, plow some snow, idle it around some the Champion D-21 are probably a good choice.

IF, you want to just play with it, plow some snow, idle it around for long periods, idle it down slower than recommended, lots of slow speed stuff then the Champion D-23 are probably a good choice.

D-16 = colder plug
D-21 = slightly hotter plug
D-23 = fairly hot plug

I�m not necessarily recommending the Champion plugs although I use them myself.. If you want a different brand of plug just grab a plug cross reference chart & find a cross to the Champions listed above.. BTW, I use the D-23 in most of my number series tractors with no problems..

Clooney

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John T

01-06-2005 06:46:28




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 Re: Proper spark plug for JD 60 in reply to Tom in PA, 01-06-2005 05:31:14  
Tom, if you want to stay with a Champion brand plug, I would run the recommended D 21 as the D 16 is a much colder plug. I personally recommend a heat range "hotter" than specified plug ESPECIALLY if the tractor is an oil burner, smokes, has low compression, or tends to quickly foul plugs. I have good luck with the similar heat range Autolite 386 plug but even better luck with the hotter Autolite 388 for light duty use.

While people have different opinions on the best "brand" of plug, to me the correct heat range (and, of course, a well tuned ignition) is more important than a brand designation, since a plug that runs too cold can accumulate fouling deposits prematurely. Those tractors were designed to run at temperature (180 and above) and under load, and its those parameters around which the plugs are specified in which case potential fouling deposits are burned off. HOWEVER, when we use them for short light duty (or engines are worn) the plugs may not be exposed to conditions conducive to maintaining a clean plug with that preferred nice warm gray appearance. Thats why I like to run a heat range hotter plug (especially for light use or worn engines).

To avoid premature plug fouling (besides proper use or a hotter plug) it also helps to:

--Use shutters or thermostats etc to keep the operating temperature to 180 and hotter.

--Avoid long idle periods

--Adjust the carbs so youre not running too rich (excess black smoke).

--Make sure the air cleaner bowl and air inlet piping is clean, open and water free.

--Make sure the choke butterfly plate is opening full n proper.

--Have a meticulous tuned ignition and a good hot spark, usually by use of good proper gapped plugs, good wire core (NOT carbon core) plug wires, and a good cap n rotor PLUS have her in proper time.

Sooooo ooooo the Champion D 21 or hotter plug in a Champion (NOT colder D 16) is what I would use or equivalent plugs like the Autolite 386 or hotter 388 (or I believe 3116 is a non resistor?? Sorry I have no data or charts). Plus keep her well tuned, dont run her over rich, and have good wires for a hot blue spark and get the temperature up in the 180 or hotter range.

Its always fun to hear other opinions on what brand or type plugs people have best luck with. My friend Duane Larson has excellent data and specs on Spark Plugs, he's the "go to guy" on the subject of spark plugs in my opinion.

Good Luck n God Bless

John T

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buickanddeere

01-06-2005 06:36:23




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 Re: Proper spark plug for JD 60 in reply to Tom in PA, 01-06-2005 05:31:14  
Autolite 3116 for non resisitor and 388 resistor if you have a AM radio near the tractor when it's running.



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old

01-06-2005 05:59:39




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 Re: Proper spark plug for JD 60 in reply to Tom in PA, 01-06-2005 05:31:14  
Probably means one cylinder fouls out a plug and the other doesn't since one plug is hotter the the other one.



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Bob-Wyo

01-06-2005 09:01:20




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 Re: Proper spark plug for JD 60 in reply to old, 01-06-2005 05:59:39  
And then there is this D that the 2 cly's can't agree on witch plug is best. #1 likes 3077 and #2 likes Champ D21,but not D-23. I have changed them back and forth without touching carb settings and it sure is very noticeable how it starts, runs and pulls. ????? ????? ? LOL.
Bob



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Tom in PA

01-06-2005 16:53:03




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 Thanks for the opinions in reply to Bob-Wyo, 01-06-2005 09:01:20  
Gentlemen

I appreciate all of your opinions. Thanks. I really enjoy this board - and John51 will tell you that I enjoy playing with my new machine...

John -- I had it out plowing snow today. The neighbors didn't seem to mind the straight stack today as I cleaned out their parking places.

Regards,
Tom



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