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Newbee has ?'s about a Model 60

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Tom in PA

12-11-2004 10:02:48




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Folks, good day... I am looking at a Model 60 for sale here in PA. I need a tractor to pull a mower and would like to eventually put a loader on it. I would also like to have a scrape blade at somepoint. The model 60 I found has a 3pt hitch and decent rubber (better than 70%). I have yet to see the tractor so I can offer no further information about it. I'm also a Farmall devotee - so JD is totally new to me... but - I thought I'd go see this machine.

Here's the questions - Is this tractor going to have a hand clutch? Also, I read they have a live PTO and hydraulics, which is a plus. Do you think this tractor will have any troubles pulling a 6 foot finishing mower? Will this tractor have power steering, or could it easily be converted? I'm assuming we're talking about a 6V tractor - Are the hydraulics going to have "down" force or not?

Basically I was wondering if you guys think this is a good deal and if you think it will do what I want. I really am going to need the loader. Are they available?

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Tom in PA

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gusc

12-12-2004 14:33:20




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 Re: Newbee has ?'s about a Model 60 in reply to Tom in PA, 12-11-2004 10:02:48  
Tom,

I've owned my 60 for 23 years, bought it for $800. I wouldn't ever part with it. As far as I know they all have hand clutches.

It does not have live power nor PS. It will pull just about anything and when it won't pull it will dig itself into the ground.

I don't have a loader and don't want one but would suspect that the hand clutch would not be the best setup for a loader. Also, you MUST have PS if you have a loader, it is hard enough to steer without a loader unless it is moving.

I would put the loader on the Farmall. I just bought a Super M, haven't had a chance to use it yet.

It is not good for a finish mower. I have a 6' finish mower and broke the belt the first time I used it on the 60. The two cylinders do not provide smooth enough power for a finish mower, it is great with a bush hog.

I now use a 4 cyl Ford 641 for the finish mower and it works great, no more broken belt.

I have two other old tractors and the 60 is my favorite.

No down 3 pt hydraulics. I think you can have it with external cylinders, but not sure.

I use an 8' blade behind it and it is great. One of the best things is the slow first gear and lots of power, the unfortunate thing is the not-so-slow reverse.

Mine is 12v, I converted to an alt recently. I think it was originally 12v. It was also pos ground but I changed to neg.

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CMB

12-11-2004 14:40:02




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 Re: Newbee has ?'s about a Model 60 in reply to Tom in PA, 12-11-2004 10:02:48  
I was raised on two cyl hand clutch JDs, but have used foot clutch tractors for over 40 yrs. For anything EXCEPT loader work I still much prefer a hand clutch with power steering. Especially when backing a wagon or implement,-you just turn your whole body 45-60 degrees to the left,operate the clutch with your right hand, reach across your chest, & steer with your left hand. Looking over your left sholder, you have a very good view to the rear.On the other hand, with a foot clutch it's much more difficult to see behind,& and it gets more & more difficult as old age creeps up on you! My main loader tractor is a foot clutch Dubuque built "40U", but I've also owned & used several hand clutch JDs with loaders. They aren't as handy, but after while you learn to steer with your knee(sort of)! If I had to operate the miserable things,(I owned one for a while,) I wouldn't trade a good "60", with power steering" for two "M" Farmalls!

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I Bleed Green

12-11-2004 13:04:39




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 Re: Newbee has ?'s about a Model 60 in reply to Tom in PA, 12-11-2004 10:02:48  

Tom, i have the brochure for the 60. I have my e-mail address here, if you e-mail me i will scan the brochure or any info about the 60 for you and send it to you.



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Gary Myers

12-17-2004 04:57:53




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 Thanks For The Brochures in reply to I Bleed Green, 12-11-2004 13:04:39  
Thanks for the brochures "I Bleed Green". They bring back a lot of memories. I wonder what today's safety folks would think though. John Deere advertised as an advantage that you didn't have to be sitting on the tractor to back it up. You could stand behind the tractor and operate the hand clutch to back up to implements!



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Tom in PA

12-12-2004 07:39:40




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 Thanks for the scanned advertisements! in reply to I Bleed Green, 12-11-2004 13:04:39  
Steve,

Thanks for scanning the ads in and sending them to me. I am saving them on a CD.

They are really impressive.

Thanks again,

TOM



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I Bleed Green

12-12-2004 08:01:40




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 Re: Thanks for the scanned advertisements! in reply to Tom in PA, 12-12-2004 07:39:40  

Thanks,

I have allot of old brochures.



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John51

12-11-2004 12:45:15




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 Where in PA? in reply to Tom in PA, 12-11-2004 10:02:48  
If you aren't too far away you can come look at mine with power steering and live PTO. Not far from Williamsport.



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Tom in PA

12-11-2004 12:57:52




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 I'm in Jersey Shore in reply to John51, 12-11-2004 12:45:15  
John,

I'm in Jersey Shore and I would like to come and see your machine, especially since it will give me a better understanding of the overall machine itself. You can email me directly (off the board) at [email protected] and we can make an arrangement that is suitable for you.

These model 45 loaders - I'm assuming they are trip buckets - correct? Is it possible to convert a trip bucket to a powered bucket?

What about the availability of a blade? I'm a rookie at this, but I understand that just about any 3pt attachment blade will hook to most 3 pt hitches... right?

And - I don't know if I want to post this question or not - but someone tell me why I should go w/ a model 60 rather than a Farmall H (or M) -

Thanks TOM

P.S. John -- I'll look for your email.

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TP from Central PA

12-12-2004 11:53:54




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 Re: I'm in Jersey Shore in reply to Tom in PA, 12-11-2004 12:57:52  
I wouldn't jump into anything..... ....You can really get good buys on two cylinders anymore at consignment sales such as "Dick's Tractors"(Has one on New Years day) and "Fraley's" in the fall or spring.

Got a '49 A at Fraley's acouple years ago and aside a carb/mag. rebuild she is a hard runner.

For what your doing I'd find a Farmall 300. They have a foot clutch, fast-hitch that you can convert to 3pt. and the Hydraulic valves work well with a loader.

Sorry to hear about the loss of your home. Ivan was pretty bad. I am in Nisbet and we had alot of the township underwater.

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Tom in PA

12-12-2004 14:24:14




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 Flood waters in reply to TP from Central PA, 12-12-2004 11:53:54  
TP

I should clarify that we didn't actually lose the home in the flood. We did however have serious damage. We're pretty much back to normal now. I rewired the downstairs, installed a new water heater, replaced quite a bit of insulation, and cleaned, cleaned, then cleaned some more. What a mess.

When the water started coming in the basement it was rising at the rate of 6-8 inches every 15 minutes. The force of the water actually blew holes in the mortar of our stone foundation. I suppose that's better than the foundation caving inward, which we were seriously concerned about. When we were forced to evacuate the water had started running in the windows in the basement like waterfalls. At that point I shut the 4 pumps off and gave up.

There were many homes in Lycoming County that had more damage than ours, in some ways we were fortunate.

I fly a helicopter for a living, and the morning of the flood we were flying around the Lycoming Creek Road, (and various other places in Lycoming/Clinton Counties). The devistation was unbelievable. Not as bad as 96 in my opinion, but still bad...

The land that we just bought is on top of a small hill. If our house floods up there they'll need Noah's Ark in town.

Regards,

TOM

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Mike N Mo

12-11-2004 11:50:00




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 Re: Newbee has ?'s about a Model 60 in reply to Tom in PA, 12-11-2004 10:02:48  
Hi Tom
I"ll expand a little on what "old" gave you. You"ll need a #45 loader, and they are around, but you may have to search a little. Not all 60"s had live PTO. I guess the easiest way to tell if this particular tractor has it is the ones with it have a horizontal lever attached to the lower right side of the battery box with a rod between that ant the pto housing. It will be a 12 volt system. I use mine on a 6 foot brush hog and it will pull it ok in 3rd gear unless the grass is 2ft tall or more. The 3 point hitch will not have downforce. I like mine even though it"s one that doesn"t have power steering. Post back if you have more questions. Mike

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old

12-11-2004 10:43:33




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 Re: Newbee has ?'s about a Model 60 in reply to Tom in PA, 12-11-2004 10:02:48  
Its a 40HP tractor so yes it will handle a 6 footer. Yes it will have a hand clutch. It may or may not have power steering. Sorry can't help with more about it. I have one but its only a parts tractor



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mike brown

12-11-2004 13:20:37




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 Re: Newbee has ?'s about a Model 60 in reply to old, 12-11-2004 10:43:33  
Tom;
If you are into green tractors these two cylinder tractors are a fun hobby. I have an A and a 730D. I especially like the sound they make. That said, if you don't care about those things and are looking for a tractor that will be handy to use to do those jobs you described you may not be happy with this tractor. The hand clutch will take some getting used to. I have seen people who are not used to them get flustered in a pinch and have difficulty remembering how to stop them. I have driven them for years and have yet to sprout the third arm I need to make them handy tractors. I don't have a loader on mine but unless it is foot controled I don't see how it could be easy to use.
I suggest you find some one who will let you try theirs first. They were not the most popular tractors of their era for this reason.

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Tom in PA

12-11-2004 13:30:23




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 Re: Newbee has ?'s about a Model 60 in reply to mike brown, 12-11-2004 13:20:37  
I love old things - I just finished a 3 yr restoration on a 79 IH Scout II. I've never ventured into tractors before, except that Dad had a Farmall Cub when I was a kid. We've recently purchased 5 acres of land to build a house on (our current home flooded during Hurricane Ivan). I'm really looking for an antique but useful tractor. I am most interested in JDs and Farmalls - other folks have recommended tractors like utility IHs - etc. I agree they'd be a better choice... but they are not necessarily what I want.

I was just thinking about how I'd run the loader and the clutch, and steer at the same time. I'd imagine that would be quite challenging...

BTW -- I do love the pop-pop-poppin sound.

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Tom in PA

12-11-2004 13:37:27




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 When did JD switch to a foot clutch in reply to Tom in PA, 12-11-2004 13:30:23  
When did JD go from the hand clutch to a foot clutch -- If I found a 520/620 are they foot clutched?



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Mike M

12-12-2004 10:30:09




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 Re: When did JD switch to a foot clutch in reply to Tom in PA, 12-11-2004 13:37:27  
Don't forget about those little giants with the upright 2 cyl. engines they all had foot clutches. Models L,LA,M,40,420,430



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Hoosier JD

12-11-2004 14:08:23




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 Re: When did JD switch to a foot clutch in reply to Tom in PA, 12-11-2004 13:37:27  
I grew up on the old JD"s with the hand clutch, with and without the power steering and live pto....and I still love the old JD"s. However, having said that.... I use a 4010 JD and an 8" blade to plow snow from mine and my neighbors driveways. The positioning of the hydraulics, the shifter, and the footclutch make the 4010 a much better tractor for what I do. I"m still going to buy the 1955 50 JD from my Dad.....just to listen to and play with..... ..nothing can replace the sound and feel of the old John! Just my thoughts..... ..good luck! Mike

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ebbsspeed

12-11-2004 17:48:09




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 Just havin' fun with ya...... in reply to Hoosier JD, 12-11-2004 14:08:23  
....Hoosier JD, but it must take a long time to clear a driveway with an 8-inch blade. Maybe y'all ride a motorsickle so it only takes one pass. Happy holidays!



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Hoosier JD

12-12-2004 07:56:18




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 Re: Just havin' fun with ya...... in reply to ebbsspeed, 12-11-2004 17:48:09  
But I have so much more fun with the 8 inch blade! I actually get angry when I"m done so quick! Danged old keyboard anyway. It really is an 8 FOOT blade and I do have fun plowing snow....I will plow from 1 to as many as 50 driveways (all without charging a dime no matter how much is offered) or until I can"t feel my feet or supper is ready. Later, Mike



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John51

12-11-2004 13:44:41




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 Re: When did JD switch to a foot clutch in reply to Tom in PA, 12-11-2004 13:37:27  
1960 on most tractors, but that was a complete change. I have a few of those, too. Also a 530 for you to look at, but they were hand clutch. I emailed you direct...should be there by now.



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Tom in PA

12-12-2004 14:26:58




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 Thanks Gentlemen ! in reply to John51, 12-11-2004 13:44:41  
Thanks for your thoughts and comments.

Regards,

TOM



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