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jwill

11-14-2004 08:55:50




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Does the pony motor on a 70D have a neg or pos ground? Thanks




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buickanddeere

11-15-2004 08:37:55




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 Re: ground on 70D in reply to jwill, 11-14-2004 08:55:50  
Be wary of the starting engine coils. Along the way some genious has likely installed a 12V battery. Then wondered why the "smoke leaked out" of the coil wires. If the larger dia primary windings smell or look black. Toss them and get the better coils with the "snap" connection for the high tension leads instead of the "pointed post" style. New properly set points are vital as well.



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Dan in Ohio

11-14-2004 10:15:59




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 Re: ground on 70D in reply to jwill, 11-14-2004 08:55:50  
jwill, I bought a 70 D this year that had not run for a long time. This is what I did to get it running;
1. clean all battery connections
2. make sure your 6V battery is fully charged
3. new champion J8C spark plugs
4. unhook rubber gas line at the carb and clean out the gas tank. Make sure you have a good pencil size flow through that hose.

Now try to start pony. Be careful you do not run the starting motor more than 10-15 secs without stopping or you could fry the starter. Just rember you need spark, fuel, and air all supplied at the right time and it should start. This could get much more involved but it might also start right up for you. Good luck.

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F-I-T

11-14-2004 11:02:56




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 Re: ground on 70D in reply to Dan in Ohio, 11-14-2004 10:15:59  
I'd have respectfully disagree on the advice of no more 10-15 seconds cranking at a time. That pony starter is built heavier than most main starters on gas engines of other brands. If you ever did burn out a starter on a pony in 10 or 15 seconds, you had a poor connection via small cables, corrosion, or worn out brushes which caused an excessive current draw.

Granted a pony should start within 10 to 15 secs of cranking, but it's not the starter I would worry about. Maybe pull that first, clean the commutator, install new brushes, and oil the nose section. It'll crank the pony with the diesel engaged on decompression.

Ponies that have sat for a while generally suffer from poor or lack of spark. I'd bet you'll have to install new coils. Magneeders as well as other shops have full kits of two coils, condensers, points and a wire set. A timing check is pretty easy to do. There is no advance of any sort. As was stated new plugs are a must. Enjoy that experience!

Don't be surprised if the carburetor has a plugged main jet as it sits in the very bottom of the bowl. Also, the original cork float is probably broken down, and that will fill the orfices with chunks of debris. A new nylon float is still available from Deere and that 's worth the money in my book. The gasket set is also available, and the last one I bought was not too pricey. $10 or $12 as I recell.

If the bypass wire is correctly connected, you will get straight battery voltage only during cranking. The resistor mounted on the switch will drop the voltage to around 4.75V during running. If you install new coils, you might have to play with that resistor as the y newer repro coils seem to like 5 volts minimum. Don't let the switch on when the pony is not running or you risk burning out one or both coils. I'm thinking this is one reason it has been pull started.

Change that oil! It only takes a quart, and it is critical. On a pony that has not run in a while, don't be surprised if the rear main oil seal gives out after several hours. I'd also change the pony tranmission oil as well. I have had good success using ATF in there as it's a great lube and will get every where it needs to go. It's also handy in determining if the pony transmission has any leaks.

Be ready to change the oils again shortly after you have it running well and warmed up. It's a cheap way to flush out old contamination.

If you ever have to lift the pony off for any major service, you might consider installing the infamous "Pony Coil Protection Circuit". It'll save you if you ever let the switch of the pony ignition on or ever run out of oil pressure at the pony. There's an article on my web page if you are interested in the details.

Frank-in-Tallahassee
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jackson

11-14-2004 09:00:58




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 Re: ground on 70D in reply to jwill, 11-14-2004 08:55:50  
POSITIVE.



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jwill

11-14-2004 09:06:42




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 Re: ground on 70D in reply to jackson, 11-14-2004 09:00:58  
THANKS By the way any tips on starting the pony that hasn't been started for a couple of years? The tractor has been running with a pull.



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