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diagnosing an electrical problem on my 420

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reefsan

11-05-2004 15:01:17




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My 420 has conked out. It turns over but there is no spark at the points.Even the lights don't work. The fuse in the dash keeps blowing. Basically I have no hot wire other than from the battery to the starter. I can't figure out what happenned as it was running fine up a hill,then started to cough. Came out of it for five minutes and when it went back up the hill it stopped. Can anybody tell how to figure out where the electrical problem is? Could it be the coil?
Thanks for any help.

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Jim Nauert

11-05-2004 19:01:43




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 Re: diagnosing an electrical problem on my 420 in reply to reefsan, 11-05-2004 15:01:17  
Try unhooking the wire that comes from the harness to the coil (neg wire if pos ggound)at the coil replace the fuse and try that. If the lights work then could be the coil has shorted out



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John T

11-05-2004 18:49:18




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 Re: diagnosing an electrical problem on my 420 in reply to reefsan, 11-05-2004 15:01:17  
If she keeps blowing a fuse, there must be a short in the wiring or switch or somewhere. One way to diagnose the short is to remove all loads and circuits then replace them one at a time until you find the one thats drawing high current (it will spark when first connected back up). The coils not necessarily your problem for no firing, unless it or its circuit has a dead short or theres an OPEN circuit and its not getting any power to it. It has to have voltage present on its high input (NOT to distributor) terminal when the ignition switch is ON to work, of course, does yours??? If not she cant ever fire. Its source is from the ignition switches IGN output, while the ignition switches hot BAT input is either from the ammeter or the LOAD terminal on 4 wire Voltage Regulators.

If you place a test lamp lead on the batterys hot ungrounded terminal it needs a ground to work, so if hooking it to wires (like switches or lights etc) makes it glow, those wires/circuits are getting a ground return path somewhere.

Voltage must be present on the ammeters high supply side (from ungrounded batery post maybe via starter lug) and then current flows through it to all loads like lights and switches plus to the Voltage Regulator.

It sounds maybe like a wire got shorted somewhere which caused a sudden and catastrophic electrical failure unless a wire broke off or opened up in the battery to ammeter and ammeter to switches n lights n coil etc. If theres no lamp glow at the ammeter, check the wire from the starter or battery to the ammeter,,,,, ,,,,,if theres voltage on BOTH ammeter terminals but no lights or coil power, then check the wires from the ammeter to the Voltage Regulator and switch (BAT input),,,,, ,,,,if theres voltage to the switch input but not to lights or coil, the switch may be bad or open wires from switch to lights or coil etc. A simple test lamp ought to trace down the problem.

Good Luck n God Bless

John T

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reefsan

11-06-2004 12:19:48




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 Re: diagnosing an electrical problem on my 420 in reply to John T, 11-05-2004 18:49:18  
Thanks for the help. I think what happened is I had a short in the hot wire to the starter and it blew something back in the switch because I can get the tractor to fire (and have lights too) with a direct hot wire from the battery to the coil but there is no juice from the battery post on the ignition switch to the coil. So I'm off to the dealer to get a switch unless you think I might be missing something. Thanks again...

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John T

11-06-2004 13:34:03




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 Re: diagnosing an electrical problem on my 420 in reply to reefsan, 11-06-2004 12:19:48  
The switch has to have power on its BAT input before it can feed it on through to the coil and lights. If it has it there but NOT on its IGN or lights output when switched to ON then it may indeed be bad. The switches BAT input gets power either from the load side of ammeter or the LOAD terminal on a 4 wire Voltage Regulator. Make sure the switch has input power before you can say if its bad.

John T

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reefsan

11-07-2004 10:35:19




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 Re: diagnosing an electrical problem on my 420 in reply to John T, 11-06-2004 13:34:03  
John,
the switch does NOT have juice on its battery terminal. The switch won't work even when a hot wire is connected directly to the battery terminal of the switch, which suggests to me that the battery terminal of the switch is dead.The switch does work (lights go on) when the coil is directly connected to the tractor's battery, or when a hot wire is directly connected to the various terminals on the switch (except for the battery terminal) The ameter is hot only on one of it's posts. Does that mean the ameter could have blown? Or could the voltage regulator have blown? What do you think? I hope I have explained it clearly enough.. and thanks for the help.

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