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G govenor will not stop surging

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Ken C.

10-30-2004 18:55:16




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Cranked off G, after complete rebuild, including govenor, weights, bearings, got the lever in right place on gov arm, and govenor still surges at idle, middle range, and wide open unless under load. What do i need to start checking, step on brakes a little and it runs steady, no load, back to jumping again. Any help is appreciated, Ken.




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rod rapp

11-01-2004 19:18:07




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 Re: G govenor will not stop surging in reply to Ken C., 10-30-2004 18:55:16  
adjust your linkage back to the 1/2 hole away and all will be fine on my 70 if i go past the 1/2 hole at all it will surge yes it makes it feel snapper but it does NOT change horse power ROD



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jugs

10-31-2004 20:30:07




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 Re: G govenor will not stop surging in reply to Ken C., 10-30-2004 18:55:16  
check shaft where gov. spring bolts on to. Where shaft goes down in housing, could be binding. Had that on mine.



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Duane Larson

10-30-2004 19:50:52




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 Re: G govenor will not stop surging in reply to Ken C., 10-30-2004 18:55:16  
Ken C.
A couple of things to check - with the throttle lever pushed to the "wide open" position, and the butterfly on the top of the carburetor throttle shaft "wide open" against the stop pin, the rod from the governor should be 1/2 hole short (ie - one has to pull the rod from the governor 1/2 of the butterfly hole width to place it in the butterfly.

Once that is properly adjusted, with the tractor running, lift out the governor rod from the butterfly with your right hand, and use your left hand to move the butterfly through the normal speed range of the tractor. As the engine speed changes, the governor rod should move back and forth smoothly. If it does, you may have a carburetor problem - if it does not, you most likely have a governor problem. These tests will help pin down the source of your surging problem.

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RalphinWI

10-30-2004 20:28:03




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 Re: G govenor will not stop surging in reply to Duane Larson, 10-30-2004 19:50:52  
Duane, That is what thought was correct also, but the mechanic that does critical operations (fitting bearings etc) for me tells me that the A and G were supposed to be a straight drop fit, with out the half hole short. I have an original service manual for the B, which specifies the 1/2 hole, but as far as I know there never was a manual for the A or G. Do you know he reason for this setting? I thought it might give a snappier response to increasing load.

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Duane Larson

10-31-2004 05:18:00




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 Re: G govenor will not stop surging in reply to RalphinWI, 10-30-2004 20:28:03  
RalphinWi,
I have not heard your mechanic's statement before - the JD Service Manual for carburetors, SM2024, lists the 1/2 hole short for all DLTX 1 bbl carburetors (at least, didn't check 2 bbl)



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Lee B

10-30-2004 21:31:33




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 Re: G govenor will not stop surging in reply to RalphinWI, 10-30-2004 20:28:03  
The reason for the half hole advice is to insure that the carburetor does open fully with at least a half hole yet to go as seen from the governor"s perspective. My I&T manual does state the half hole advice for A as well even though that is not a genuine green Deere manual.

I would disconnect each item in turn starting with the carburetor linkage and inspect moving parts for binding, with the engine stopped. If the governor rod is bent at the wrong angle where it enters the throttle lever it can cause it to bind or to even "lift" the throttle plate in it"s bore which can also lead to binding. Somewhere it"s sticking just ever so slightly, but that"s all it takes. Try downforce on the throttle lever as well while turning it to see if it binds for that reason. Sometimes the suction applied by the running engine will bind a throttle plate shaft especially when the throttle plate shaft bushings are shot, and you won"t find that one unless you run it without the governor hooked up so caution is advised. I had to use a custom washer under the throttle lever to keep the butterfly from digging into the bottom of the carburetor throat and binding once upon a time.

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Ken C.

10-30-2004 21:45:51




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 Re: G govenor will not stop surging in reply to Lee B, 10-30-2004 21:31:33  
Thanks for all the input, i will try some of them and see what i can find. Thanks again, Ken.



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hojon

10-31-2004 06:03:28




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 Re: G govenor will not stop surging in reply to Ken C., 10-30-2004 21:45:51  
My father-in-laws A basically did the same thing, except when the choke was 3/4 shut it smoothed the engine out.

I went thru the Govenor linkage, spark and all and found that the hole feeding the idle jet was plugged with a wire (DLTX 71).

In regards to the linkage and earlier posts, with the throttle wide open the throttle rod should be 1/2 hole short. I have a JD manual covering the A and it lists several carbs including those used on the G, all specify the same set up. This includes the duplex carbs as well. I have a 60 and the adjustments are the same in the JD Manual.

Also check that when throttle down, the govenor spring "just" touches the govenor arm. This will keep you from closing the throttle disk completely and killing the tractor. The adjustment screw on the throttle shaft should be able to increase or lower idle speed.

With the Govenor seperate from the carb, as Duane mentioned, start the tractor and see if you have the same problem with surging. If you do the the problem is more than likely in the carb, if it doesn't then with the Govenor. I've heard of them not being put back together properly and causing odd problems.

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