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48 B running on one cylinder

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JohnDeereJosh

09-05-2004 22:18:56




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my 48 b only runs on one cylinder (the left). We've checked the valves, the spark plug wires, changed the plugs, checked the manifold for cracks, had the mag rebuilt, and cleaned the carb several times. There is spark at the plug, but the plug does not get wet after running for several minutes. any ideas? thanks

Josh




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Clooney

09-07-2004 04:02:47




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 Re: 48 B running on one cylinder in reply to JohnDeereJosh, 09-05-2004 22:18:56  
JohnDeereJosh, that running on one cylinder is somewhat normal on the single barrel carbed Deere 2-cylinder tractors.. It should pick up & run on two cylinders when a load is applied..

Those Deere 2-cylinder tractors have a 180�-540� firing order that allows the #1 [L/H cylinder] to receive most of the fuel air mixture at low RPM�s & idle conditions.. That�s why they call them Popping Johnnies [they kind of miss on one cylinder while under low/ or no load]..

Try shorting the L/H cylinder with it running at idle & see if it runs on the R/H cylinder, if so it�s probably normal..

If the R/H cylinder still misses under a load you have an actual problem like carb problem, or low cylinder compression, or worn camshaft, or loose valve guides, or weak spark, or ???

You might try pulling the mag then reversing it by 180�, then swapping the plug wires in the mag cap [assumes a Wico C or X mag].. That will allow the mag to fire the opposite cylinder it is firing now.. If the R/H cylinder is still weak you DON�T then have an ignition problem..

Sometimes running too much initial ign timing advance can make the idle & low RPM cylinder power discrepancy worse so try retarding the timing slightly to see if that helps..

Other things to check if your problem is also under a load�

*Check the valve spring pressure on the bad side [a weak valve spring can give cranking compression but not allow a good firing cylinder]

*Check the back of the intake & exhaust valve for coking [I have seen valves so coked up that they almost completely choke off the air flow]

*check the cam bearings [bushing] for wear as a loose cam can really effect the engine performance on one side vs. the other side..

*Try adjusting the carb�s idle needle.. Sometimes a slightly richer mixture can allow the R/H side to pull more of the idle load..

If your tractor has a low power R/H cylinder while pulling a load post back as you then do have a problem & need to address that..

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johndeerejosh

09-07-2004 09:53:06




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 Re: 48 B running on one cylinder in reply to Clooney, 09-07-2004 04:02:47  
JDclooney, you said something in the letter about weak valve springs. Should you be able to push the valve springs in by hand?



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Clooney

09-07-2004 11:00:35




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 Re: 48 B running on one cylinder in reply to johndeerejosh, 09-07-2004 09:53:06  
Quote: "Should you be able to push the valve springs in by hand?"

johndeerejosh, yes, but not real easily. They should all be about the same force.. You have one good cylinder so you have a good baseline for spring tension..

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John T

09-06-2004 18:29:09




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 Re: 48 B running on one cylinder in reply to JohnDeereJosh, 09-05-2004 22:18:56  
Josh, if youre only looking at a slow idle condition, they run much stronger on the LEFT cylinder then you know (it gets better fuel charge due to the 0 - 180 - then 540 coast firing cycle). At idle if you pull the left plug wire she almost dies, but pulling the right has far less affect on the single barrel carb tractors.

Have you pulled BOTH plugs n cranked her over to see that BOTH produce a near equal good hot BLUE and NOT a faint thin wimpy yellow spark?? If the sparks are different in quality, maybe try swapping wires n plugs n cap towers to eliminate any obvious problems, but post back what mag you have for more troubleshooting tips.

Good Luck n God Bless

John T

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hooppole1977

09-05-2004 23:13:20




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 Re: 48 B running on one cylinder in reply to JohnDeereJosh, 09-05-2004 22:18:56  
check the compression on the right bank. somtimes the plug will fire and burn fuel but not enough to create power. are your valves set to tight? run the engine with the valve cover off. camshaft could also be broke



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