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720Deere

08-01-2004 18:35:40




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My brother recently purchased a 666H plow (4-16). He intends to pull it with his JD 80 and I will also use it with my 720. Neither of us has ever used a trailer plow and don"t have a clue where to start with the setup. The 80 has almost zero adjustablility. Can this thing be setup to run on land?

I have already told him to purchase the manuals as they are available from Deere. Does anybody know what years these were built? The plow is in great shape it just needs a cylinder and we should be set. Any info that you guys can provide would be greatly appreciated!

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Ralph

08-01-2004 20:48:31




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 Re: 666H plow set up in reply to 720Deere, 08-01-2004 18:35:40  
I have 4 x 16 (600 series) behind an 820. I divided the required off set (center of draft on the plow is to the left of the center position of the drawbar) between the plow and the drawbar as per JD instructions I have someplace. I also have a two spool hydralic, and made an adapter to use the second cylinder as a landing lever. i.e. I can shift the drawbar on rolling land.



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720Deere

08-02-2004 17:00:18




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 Re: 666H plow set up in reply to Ralph, 08-01-2004 20:48:31  
So, you're saying that you run the drawbar offset to the left of center? I mentioned in a previous reply to F-I-T that I have seen the use of a hydraulic hillside hitch on a semi-mount plow. That must make things work a little neater.



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msb

08-01-2004 20:04:05




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 Re: 666H plow set up in reply to 720Deere, 08-01-2004 18:35:40  
Don't know when they were first introduced but I bought a new 666H 5-14" in 1960 and a new 666H 4-16" in 1967.I thought the 16" bottoms would give me more trash clearance.I was wrong.It was exactly the same as the 14" bottoms.
Not real sure you will be able to run on land with only 4 bottoms.
If I remember correctly the proper pull point is 1/3 of the way in from the landside of the 3rd bottom. on a 4 bottom plow.Somewhere I still have my book from Deere on plow hitching.Maybe I can find it tomorrow.Its 10 miles from where I now am.
All old Deere farmer notebooks used to have a page on hitching plows,in case you have one laying around somewhere.

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F-I-T

08-01-2004 19:04:38




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 Re: 666H plow set up in reply to 720Deere, 08-01-2004 18:35:40  
720:

If you look in your tractor manual there"s a section about plow hitching. It"s pretty thorough. Tells you about how to set the draft point and the elevation of the hitch. That"s what you"ll need to know.

Frank



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720Deere

08-02-2004 16:56:24




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 Re: 666H plow set up in reply to F-I-T, 08-01-2004 19:04:38  
Ok Frank, I read your post and felt pretty stupid. Why I didn't I think of that? My 720 operators manual doesn't cover this and we don't have one for the 80 as of yet.

Since the 4 - 16" bottoms cover 64", I am assuming that the center of draft is around 32" from the outside edge of the leading bottom. If this assumption is correct, then you would need 32" from the center of the drawbar to the inside edge of the tractor tire.

The wheels on the 80 don't allow much for adjustment, just 2 positions. I haven't measured yet, but I believe that the 32" dimension to inside of tire is close to where the wheels are set. If additional adjustment is needed, would you just move the drawbar? I don't think that 3" either way would upset the way an 80 pulled a 4 bottom plow.

I have done a lot of things with a farm tractor and nearly everything that can be done with construction equipment, but plowing is not one of them. By the time I was old enough to help on the farm, chisel plows, heavy disks and/or no-till was the way of the world.

My uncle used to do some plowing with his 4320, but that was with a semi-mount(6-16") and hydraulic hillside hitch. You have much more room for error on the setup with that hillside hitch as I believe it moves 5 or 6" either way.

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F-I-T

08-03-2004 06:46:48




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 Re: 666H plow set up in reply to 720Deere, 08-02-2004 16:56:24  
720:

You said:
...My 720 operators manual doesn"t cover this and we don"t have one for the 80 as of yet....

I"m surprised. Right in the middle of my "70"D manual is a section on pull type plow hitching. Are you sure there isn"t a section on your 720 book?

then you said...

Since the 4 - 16" bottoms cover 64", I am assuming that the center of draft is around 32" from the outside edge of the leading bottom.


Not quite. The centerline of draft is different form the centerline of the plow. Centerline of draft is defined as a point 1/4 of a bottom to the left (land wheel side) of the plow centerline. So, 1/4 of 16" is 4", and half of 64" is 32", so the centerline of draft for your 4-16" would be 36" measured from the inside of the furrow tire.

...The If this assumption is correct, then you would need 32" from the center of the drawbar to the inside edge of the tractor tire.

Again, the centerhole of the drawbar needs to be 36" from the furrow edge.

HTH

Frank

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F-I-T

08-03-2004 06:46:47




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 Re: 666H plow set up in reply to 720Deere, 08-02-2004 16:56:24  
720:

You said:
...My 720 operators manual doesn"t cover this and we don"t have one for the 80 as of yet....

I"m surprised. Right in the middle of my "70"D manual is a section on pull type plow hitching. Are you sure there isn"t a section on your 720 book?

then you said...

Since the 4 - 16" bottoms cover 64", I am assuming that the center of draft is around 32" from the outside edge of the leading bottom.


Not quite. The centerline of draft is different form the centerline of the plow. Centerline of draft is defined as a point 1/4 of a bottom to the left (land wheel side) of the plow centerline. So, 1/4 of 16" is 4", and half of 64" is 32", so the centerline of draft for your 4-16" would be 36" measured from the inside of the furrow tire.

...The If this assumption is correct, then you would need 32" from the center of the drawbar to the inside edge of the tractor tire.

Again, the centerhole of the drawbar needs to be 36" from the furrow edge.

HTH

Frank

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720Deere

08-03-2004 10:02:03




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 Re: 666H plow set up in reply to F-I-T, 08-03-2004 06:46:47  
Nope, no plowing section and this isn't a reprint, it is an original manual.

The centerline of draft makes sense. I knew that the center of the plow would not quite be the center of draft. I also figured it would get me close. Probably not the first time that I missed the required dimension by 4"!

Maybe Deere figured the trailer plow to be outdated with the introduction of the full 3 point hitch on the 20 series and didn't feel the need to cover that info any longer. My uncle has a 70D, I'll have to check out his manual.

Frank, thanks for keeping me straight! (both figuratively and literally)

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F-I-T

08-03-2004 10:43:45




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 Re: 666H plow set up in reply to 720Deere, 08-03-2004 10:02:03  
720:

You might be right on the three point plow becoming the "norm" with the advent of the -20 series. Perhaps they left the plow instructions to the plow manual. BTW, we never ever owned a mounted plow. My dad felt you could do a better job with a pull-type. While they were tougher to maneuver, they did do a pretty job.

I can send you a copy if you can wait unitl I"m home again this weekend.

Frank

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720Deere

08-03-2004 13:31:25




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 Re: 666H plow set up in reply to F-I-T, 08-03-2004 10:43:45  
Thanks, I would really appreciate that. I don't get over to the farm very often and even then would have to dig through God knows what to find that 70 manual!



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F-I-T

08-03-2004 16:10:55




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 Re: 666H plow set up in reply to 720Deere, 08-03-2004 13:31:25  
Send me your e-mail address.

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