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Voltage Reg on 50 A (John T and Clooney)

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05-08-2004 19:59:36




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I checked my battery and she was Ok. I did although while runing the tractor today notice that the meter was showing no charge and tapped on the voltage reg. and it started to charge some. I assume something is sticking in the regulator. Should I go ahead and order a new one and be done with it?


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05-09-2004 06:12:24




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 Re: Voltage Reg on 50 A (John T and Clooney) in reply to BB, 05-08-2004 19:59:36  
BB, that is a somewhat common problem on a tractor that has been stored for a while.. It usually involves either lightly oxidized regulator contact points or an oxidized generator armature commutator, or a corroded ground somewhere.. It could even be a light corrosion between the voltage regulator & generator case..

~There are a few ways to address your problem..

-The first is to just let it go & use the tractor.. If the regulator contacts have a light coating of oxidation in a lot of cases once the regulator starts working [due to you rapping on it] the internal points will electrically wash themselves with use & it will continue to work good..

-The second is to pull the regulator cover & use a commercial contact point cleaner [like for TV tuners] & just spray the open regulator contact points.. Then run a piece of clean white paper between the regulator points. If that cures your "no charge" condition then you are good to go... If that doesn't get it going then try spraying the generator commutator segments also..

-In severe cases you might have to use a very fine non metallic sand paper to clean the points but in most cases that is a temporary repair as that removes the points coating so they fail sooner the next time.. I personally don't recommend cleaning regulator points with any abrasive except to use as a diagnostic procedure [then replace the regulator]..

~I would say the place to start is to just use the tractor & see if it continues to charge.. If so, then don't worry about it.. If it quits charging again then clean the regulator to generator mounting, clean the regulator points [non abrasive means], clean the generator's commutator, make sure the generator brushes move freely, & make sure the generator belt is tight..

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John T

05-08-2004 20:39:11




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 Re: Voltage Reg on 50 A (John T and Clooney) in reply to BB, 05-08-2004 19:59:36  
BB, although you may well need a new one, I wouldnt give up on the old one just yet if it were mine. I would first check, maybe remove clean n wire brush its (VR) mounting and hardware to insure a good ground connection to the Generators frame and also that the Generator is well grounded to the tractor. Then you might wanna remove, clean n wire brush all its wiring connections and reconnect everything.

Then repeat the tests I posted to determine if its a VR or a Generator problem: When running, ground the Gens Field post and if it charges then, the VR may be bad,,,,, or the wire from Gens Field to VR's FLD Terminal is open,,,,, , or the VR has a poor ground. If still no charge, leave Field grounded and jump the VR's BAT and GEN (or ARM) terminals together and if it charges then, the VR is likely bad (cutout relay) or mis adjusted.

Another possibility that could cause non charging until you hammer n vibrate things (when you hit VR you may be vibrating Generator) could be worn Generator brushes or corroded stickign hold down brush assemblies. See if tapping the Gen away from the VR makes her charge?? If so, inspect the brushes and insure the hold down assemblies are working and pushing the brushes tight down against the commutator.

If all the tests indicate the VR is well grounded to the Generator and the Gen itself is well grounded and the VR's connections are all good, but it takes tapping on the VR to get her to charge, it likely has some burned or sticking relays and contacts and needs replaced.

Its been my experience that once relay contacts get burned and carboned up and/or begin to stick, even if you can get them working or you have to hammer on it to make them work, its not much count and is gonna need replaced.

The tests above and the Motor tests I gave you in my original post pretty well tell you if its a VR or a Generator problem, so if the Generator is good (charges if VR by passed per above plus passes Motor test) and even if all grounds n conenctions are good you still have to beat the VR to make her work, its probably time to invest in a new unit.

Post back or e mail [email protected] any questions.

Good luck n God Bless

John T

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