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'50 John Deere B starting problems when engine's w

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Dean

04-15-2004 18:08:42




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With the engine cold, I pull the choke, move the throttle to half speed, and push the foot starter. She instantly comes to life. There's a little smoke, push in the choke and I'm off to the races. If I should stop the tractor engine and try to restart I seem to have grief sometimes. It sometimes starts right up. I've tried to restart with the choke in and out. The throttle is at half speed. This evening I think in my frustration I flooded it and I'll try again tomorrow. Could new spark plugs help ? Any ideas? Thanks in advance.

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Clooney

04-16-2004 03:35:24




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 Re: '50 John Deere B starting problems when engine in reply to Dean, 04-15-2004 18:08:42  
Dean, that could be almost anything from a carb problem to an ignition problem..

~You might want to try a few things to see if you can isolate the problem.. You are going to need to determine what the cause is to be able to eliminate it..

1)--First thing to try is simply opening the hand throttle all the way AFTER shut down.. [that lets the hot fuel vapors out].. Then try starting it normally..

2)--Next try shutting the fuel off going to the carb & let it run out of fuel to shut it down [that also helps control hot fuel vapors & also stops any hot flooding while parked].. -Turn the fuel back on just before starting again-.

3)--Next give the oil in the crankcase a good sniff, if it smells like gasoline then change it. [if you have a problem with fuel leaking past the needle & seat it could end up in the crankcase then the fuel vapors get by the rings on a hot engine & flood it, or cause it to be too rich for starting]..

4)--Try different throttle settings for hot starting, first try wide open throttle, then full idle, then a few other settings.

5)--Next try cranking the engine hot & letting up on the starter a few times while cranking,, if it starts as the cranking is released then suspect an ignition problem [when the starter is released it allow more voltage to go to the ignition system, �distributor system only�]..

6)--If you have a magneto equipped �B� then listen for the magneto snap as you crank it.. If you don�t hear that snap on every revolution then add a second base gasket under the magneto [sometimes the mag impulse cups get jammed on a hot engine due to governor wear or a mag problem]..

7)-- Find a [known good] old spark plug [it doesn�t have to be for your tractor], then open the electrode gap to about 3/16� [use a 3/16� drill bit for a gap gauge], then install that in one plug wire of a hot engine & lay it on the engine block [leave the old plugs in for cranking drag].. Now crank the engine [ign switch on if dist equipped] & look for a spark across that 3/16� plug gap,, you need to see a nice bluish colored spark jump that gap as the engine cranks.. If it is yellow, weak looking, intermittent, or erratic then suspect a ignition coil or other ignition problem.. If you have a weak spark then post back or E-Mail & tell us what ignition system you have [mag or distributor & if dist what brand], then we can focus on getting your ignition system working correctly.

~One more thing�If you still have last winters gasoline in it, drain that [or run it out] & install fresh gasoline in the tank.. Winter gasoline is blended more for cold starting & can cause some problems on a hot manifold engine like the �B� when the engine gets hot & the carb gets hot then sits with gasoline in it�

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Jake

04-15-2004 21:22:26




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 Re: '50 John Deere B starting problems when engine in reply to Dean, 04-15-2004 18:08:42  
My B (same as yours) used to give fits when trying to restart it when hot. The original owner said that of it too. Finally I found a cracked head leaking antifreeze into a cylinder but I don't know if that was the hot start problem. What I did find is slight carbon build up on the exhaust valve stems that may have been making the ex valves hang open slightly when the engine was hot. After I fixed the head it starts a lot easier when hot. Starts the best with the throttle at idle position.

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Russ

04-17-2004 17:13:24




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 Re: Re: '50 John Deere B starting problems when en in reply to Jake, 04-15-2004 21:22:26  
JD Starts? MY 1948 JD B 190 CID always started well in the throttle idle position. Clean spark plugs or new ones helped a lot. Once it was running I usually ran it an hour or 1.5 hrs to cut wood with a buzz saw. I always shut off the
gas flow then shutdown the throttle in about 2 minutes. I have not had any problems with the B since I sold it about a year ago. It was fun for a couple years wish I had another rig or something close to it. Green or almost any other color.

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BB

04-15-2004 19:35:55




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 Re: '50 John Deere B starting problems when engine in reply to Dean, 04-15-2004 18:08:42  
Dean,

Had the same exact problem with my 1950 A. My problem was a bad coil. replaced it and she never fails to start hot or cold. Might be a bad condenser also.


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