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Convert 45 B to 12 volt?

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04-05-2004 06:39:32




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I'm not sure if I want to do this or not. I have a 6 volt system now. Problem is I dont have enough battery power to turn over the engine. I do'nt think my generator is putting out like it should. What is the cheapest route to take. Do I use an alternator? Or will the generator work for a 12 volt system? Do I have to change the whole light fixtures and all, or just the bulbs? Thanks for any help.

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dw

04-05-2004 08:21:37




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 Re: Convert 45 B to 12 volt? in reply to as, 04-05-2004 06:39:32  
I converted a 1948 B JD, to twelve volts, several years ago. I was having trouble with the six volt generator and decided to go with an alternator. The tractor turns over much faster and starts better. I have never had any problems with the alternator or six volt starter. Have been really pleased with the twelve volt set-up.



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John T

04-05-2004 07:38:06




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 Re: Convert 45 B to 12 volt? in reply to as, 04-05-2004 06:39:32  
Before a 6/12 conversion, you might want to check the condition of your battery by having a battery shop perform a load test or first just give her a good charge and see how well she cranks or try a good substitute battery and see if it cranks better!!!!! !!!!! !!!!! Does it???

The battery should have electrolyte above all its plates and no cells have a gray or milky appearance. If the battery is bad, I recommend the use of the heaviest duty highest amp/hr or CCA battery you can fit into the box and 00 Gauge cables.

1) Other causes of slow cranking if the battery checks and/or you use a known good sub battery, are bad cables or connections or a poor ground: I recommend the use of 00 Gauge battery and starter and ground cables, but first at least remove, clean and wire brush, and re attach each and every battery and starter and ground cables, you may just have a bad cable or connection. Light gauge cables or bad ends kills cranking on 6 volt systems. If all that dont help, try reattaching the ground cable to the frame or closer to the starter as a rusty battery or seat box may not form a good ground.

2) If the battery, and cables, and grounds are all good and she still dont crank well, the starter or switch/solenid could be bad, you may want a starter shop to check them before doing a conversion.

3) Charging system: If shes charging, a voltmeter on the battery should rise from 6.3 volts to the 7 to 7.5 range at Wide Open Throttle. Also if shes charging, the lights should glow noticeably brighter from idle to WOT, do they???? You have a working ammeter??? Does it swing to discharge tractor not running and lights turned on??? Does it show charge when running and at WOT ???? Do you know if you have a larger 3 or 4 wire Voltage Regulator on the Generator or a smaller 2 wire cut out relay system???

STARTER MOTOR/BATTERY SUMMARY

I would definitely first have the battery charged or checked and load tested or replaced,,,,, ,, check, remove and wire brush and re attach all cable connections and inspect or change the ground cable location,,,,, ,,,,change to 00 Gauge Cables if needed,,,,, ,have a starter shop check the starter and switch or solenoid BEFORE ANY CONVERSION.

6 TO 12 VOLT CONVERSION

If you insist on changing to a 12 volt system, you will need a 12 volt battery,,,,, maybe (depending on if you have a mag or a distributor and what brand type) add a series ballast resistor in the ignition primary circuit if you use an existign 6 volt coil,,,,, ,,,change bulbs to 12 volts,,,,, ,,,,,and a 12 volt generator and regulator system,,,,, ,,,you can use the 6 volt starter at 12 volts if its good and you avoid long periods of cranking. I have used 6 volt generators and just changed to a 12 volt regulator and they worked, but the CORRECT answer is to get a 12 volt gen and regulator if you convert.

CHARGING PROBLEMS; I would try the above and post back or e mail if you have a regulator or cut out relay system and answers to my questions above, and then I will post or e mail you my complete charging system troubleshotign procedure. The above enough to digest and try for now.

Let me know, good luck n God Bless ya

John T [email protected]

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Ron

04-05-2004 07:14:31




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 Re: Convert 45 B to 12 volt? in reply to as, 04-05-2004 06:39:32  
6 Volts will spin your "B" just fine...Unless you have it stroked and have a Power Block..!! You may need to drop the starter, and clean the comutator, or replace the brushes... BUT, I would checl ALL the connections for corrosion--aspecially where the cables are crimped onto the ends... 12 Volts spin a "B" so fast, that I'd be afraid of the starter being damaged...!! Unless you need the 12 Volts for other purposes, I would stay with 6 Volts..

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L arry E

04-14-2004 19:47:31




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 Re: Re: Convert 45 B to 12 volt? in reply to Ron, 04-05-2004 07:14:31  
Put your ground cable to one of the mounting ears on the srarter.Original ground is to far from starter and to many connections to go through.



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Dan

04-05-2004 06:56:30




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 Re: Convert 45 B to 12 volt? in reply to as, 04-05-2004 06:39:32  
You might first try checking equipment you have now, battery cables, connections etc. You need large battery cables with the 6 volt. You should be able to tell if your generator is charging by checking voltage across the battery terminals while engine is running. Should be about 8 volts. If you do change I would use an alternator. You can find one pretty cheap at a wrecking yard. With the B there is no problem with trying to get it under the hood so size is not a problem. The the delco 10s is popular and has internal regulator. You should be able to just change bulbs. People on the board talk about using your current(not a pun) generator with a 12 volt regulator. An older 12 volt generator from a car is about the same size as the stock one. If you do convert keep all the 6 volt stuff so you can go back if you want to restore to original someday.

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