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Pony motor falls victim to head gasket!!!

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720Deere

10-01-2003 19:41:24




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I just found about a pint of anifreeze in my pony motor crankcase. One head gasket has been weeping and the 720 was about a month away from "winter retirement" and a planned pony overhaul. Are there any weaknesses or problem areas that I should be looking for? Also, does anybody have any special pointers for successful pony overhaul? The only thing more frustrating than a pony motor is one that is inoperable!
Any advice will be much appreciated, especially the "resident experts". Thanks!

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Bearclaw

10-15-2003 17:03:53




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 Re: Pony motor falls victim to head gasket!!! in reply to 720Deere, 10-01-2003 19:41:24  
Two years ago after I had rebuilt my pony engine and ran it for a few months. The crankcase of the pony filled up with antifreeze. I hoped it was the water pump, but the weep hole was open when I checked it. I pulled the engine off, made plugs for the cooling lines, and pressurized the pony cooling system, after taking the spark plugs out and the crankcase bottom plate off. After the engine was pressurized, I found a hair line crack had developed between the cylinders. You could see antifreeze leaking the whole way across between the liners.
It is worth the time to pressurize the cooling system to see exactly where the anti-freeze is coming from. Good luck!

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720Deere

10-02-2003 07:29:32




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 Re: Pony motor falls victim to head gasket!!! in reply to 720Deere, 10-01-2003 19:41:24  
I was not aware of the water pump issue, but the front head has been weeping for some time. The water pump would not save me an overhaul as it produces an insane amount of smoke. The little fellow runs like a champ, but smokes something fierce!! A complete pony overhaul is in my book a mandatory step in restoration. There is nothing worse than a "trailer queen" diesel with an aerosol overhaul spewing a smokescreen every time it is started. My ultimate goal is to have a complete working 720 that is as good as it was new in 1957. Most people forget that the paint was one of the last things that Deere put on the tractor. It appears that Frank has pretty much done with his sharp looking 70 what I am doing with my 720. Thanks to all for the spot on advice! People like you make this little hobby alot more enjoyable. More can be learned from the trials and tribulations of many than one can learn from just there own mistakes(sometimes costly).

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Mike M

10-03-2003 12:40:42




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 Re: Re: Pony motor falls victim to head gasket!!! in reply to 720Deere, 10-02-2003 07:29:32  
I really like your statement about the paint being the last thing JD put on the tractor. I would like to add a couple of things I ran into on pony motors. I would look close at the main and rod bearing clearances,valve guides a must and get a good seat on the valves,My cousin is a machinist and he machined down the rod caps and rebored the rods round instead of buying new this has worked out fine.We also c- clamped it to a bench hooked up water and ignition with resistor and ran before putting on tractor to check for problems and also to retorque the cylinder heads. We did get more on them.

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Ty

10-02-2003 05:15:15




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 Re: Pony motor falls victim to head gasket!!! in reply to 720Deere, 10-01-2003 19:41:24  
The only thing that I have to add is in line fuel filter with a very fine screen. Pony carb has tiny holes and don't take much to block. Even though the tank has a screen it can't catch the small. I have a reusable one with a cleanable fine metal screen. Unreal all of the little things they catch. Better there than in the carb!



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F-I-T

10-01-2003 20:14:42




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 Re: Pony motor falls victim to head gasket!!! in reply to 720Deere, 10-01-2003 19:41:24  
720 Deere:

Are you sure it's a head gasket? You can have a leaking waterpump shaft seal that can allow coolant into the crankcase too. (Been there, done that got the tee shirt). The shafts are very simple, but NLA from Deere. Greg Steven has them, though. Seals are available from Deere.

That said, I overhauled my pony about 18 months ago, and I do have some thoughts.

First, rebuild that water pump. If it's not leaking now, good. Then shaft is probably all right to use. The impeller was available when I did mine.

I had some problems finding someone that could grind the valves and cut the seats. I had to go to a small engine shop for the valve grind, then to the machine shop, where they ground down a stone to get in there. Everything is so tiny.

If you have a lot of rusty flakey deposits in the block, consider having it hot tanked or clean it with electrolysis. The deposits really hamper the cooling ability. You'll need to remove the sleeves, but you'll want to replace the o-ring seals anyway. Be sure you hone the sleeves. Really makes them break in much faster. Those pony sleeves have a tendency to be glazed (especially if had hot spots).

Inspect the rods closely. Polish the crank to remove the high spots and lines. Any improvement you can make on the microfinish will deter the aluminum from galling to the crank at a later time.

Replace the front and rear main oil seals. The rear one failing was the reason I had to tear mine down in the first place.

Re-face the clutch. It's easy to do, and you don't want to have to do it later. Set it by the book and it will work A-OK. It's tough to chase clutch problems after you went to all the trouble of having the pony off.

Replace the transmission brake. Check the overrunning clutch for any catching. It's pretty easy to renew and will ensure very smooth operation.

Check and probably replace the bearings in the transmission. Unless you're sure thay're good, it's cheap insurance now.

If you haven't worked on the carb, now's a good time to do it. The gasket kit is remarkably cheap, and trust me, I bet there's dirt in the bowl. Clean the passages with nothing more than very soft wire. That pot metal is easy to over work.

Mark the flywheel markings with bright paint. It's tough to see them unmarked, and it will definately help later. Be sure you mark the #1 spark differently from the #1 TDC mark.

Last, if you haven't installed a pony motor oil pressure coil protection circuit, do it now. You can thank me later! Details on my webpage if you need them.

Other than that, it's not a tough job at all. Even I could do it!

Frank-in-Tallahassee
70D // 855 // VAC
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Blksmok

10-01-2003 20:11:17




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 Re: Pony motor falls victim to head gasket!!! in reply to 720Deere, 10-01-2003 19:41:24  
720 Deere...the biggest culprits for coolant in the pony crankcase are the seals and pitted shafts on the water pump. Check that before you tear into the topside internals.



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