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Andy

01-20-2004 17:20:59




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A friend of mine let the smoke out of the wiring harness on his 730D with 24 volt electric start. He purchased a wiring harness, Light switch etc. gave me the I&T manual and asked us to re-wire it.
All went fairly well with a few exceptions. First hooked to batteries thru a 5A fuse, gen light came on but no lights.(I had already checked all bulbs)Then decided to start and see what happened (after taking 5A fuse out of circuit)Started right up,gen light went out (as it should)Still no lights..... From the best I can tell the Bat A and Bat B wires feed the 12 volts to the switch.I have "0" volts from either of these to ground.I familiarized myself with the series/parallel setup on our 3020 years ago and I do not think this is that system (Both 12 volt batteries are hooked in series with no other connections except 24volts @ the starter.How do they get 12 volts ? Is there a transformer in the starter solenoid? If I understand where the 12 volts for the lights is supposed to come from I could troubleshoot this. Also does the light switch have to be pushed in to energize the fuel guage circuit on this model.Any knoweledgeable explaination of this system would be appreciated
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Andy

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John T (24 Volt System Wi

01-20-2004 20:01:04




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 Re: 730D electrics in reply to Andy, 01-20-2004 17:20:59  
Andy, if you have the 24 volts, which is the series sum of two 12 volt batteries in series (or 4 sixes), but no 12 volts, theres a darn good chance you dont have their center tie point (where the 2 batteries join in the middle) bonded to frame ground.

You asked how to get 12 volts, since both should be tied to ground in the center where they join, its 12 volts from either outermost untied post to frame ground, same as on a regular single battery 12 volt system would be as it also has one battery post tied to frame ground. Its just that one is POS grounded while the other is NEG grounded, but its still 12 volts from either (outermost untied posts) remaining post to frame ground.

The 2 outermost remainign untied posts are what feeds the A and B circuits up to the switch, one 12 volts pos ground the other 12 volts neg ground, which balances the lighting loads. The big cables lead to the starter solenoid and generator and feed the A and B 12 volt light switch circuits.

The starter and generator are both 2 wire 24 volt isolated from ground devices which feed off the outermost ungrounded battery posts, + on one battery and - on the other making up the 24 volts. Its only the starter and generator that are 2 wire 24 volt isolated from ground devices, the lights are 12 volts and fed from ground and one of the A or B 12 volt circuits from the switch.

I sure hope this heps explain the system and answers your question. Post back or e mail me at [email protected] any questions PLUS e mail me if you want a wirign diagram. WTW (Dave Wickman) is the go to guy on those 24 volt systems, if you do a search he posted a nice long article on their operation somewhere.

Good Luck n God Bless ya Andy

John T Nordhoff

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Clooney

01-20-2004 18:04:54




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 Re: 730D electrics in reply to Andy, 01-20-2004 17:20:59  
Andy, a simple solution...The center battery tie cable between the batteries [the one that connects the 2 battery posts that don't go to the starter] needs a connection to chassis ground.. [it sounds like you don't have that hooked up]

~The reason you have no 12 circuits is that both 12 volt circuits use the same chassis ground between the batteries as the negative ground of 12 one volt circuit & the positive ground of the other 12 volt circuit. [the 24 volt part is isolated from the chassis]

~That 730D actually has 3 separate electrical systems... An isolated 24 volt system that uses both the starter & generator completely isolated from the tractor chassis,, A positive ground 12 volt circuit that uses the negative post of one battery & that center battery ground wire to the chassis as a return,, A negative ground 12 volt system that uses the positive battery post on the other battery & uses that center battery ground wire for the return..

~Those 12 volt circuits are actually powered from the ign switch's terminal A & terminal B but return to the batteries through that center battery ground cable..


~So,, MAKE SURE that center battery cable between the batteries also has an attachment to chassis ground... SIMPLE AS THAT!!

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Clooney (wire print)

01-20-2004 19:02:58




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 Re: Re: 730D electrics in reply to Clooney , 01-20-2004 18:04:54  
Andy, if you need a wire diagram showing that 730D wire set up & grounds just give me an E-Mail... [put 730D in the subject line]

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