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Flywheel Crankshaft Balance on model D.

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Jon

09-10-2003 15:12:40




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My crankshaft without the flywheel attached is badly out of balance. The flywheel appears to have a large blob of cast iron inside the rim which I assume off-sets the counter-weight attached to the crankshaft. My questions are:
1. are the flywheel and crankshaft balanced as a matched set, which would prevent me from swapping crankshafts?
2. Is there any way that my machine shop guy can check the balance without attaching my flywheel to my crankshaft and spinning the whole lot in his balancer?

The machinist is pretty fussy. He would prefer to check the balance after he builds up and machines my very out-of-round throws.

I think a can do a crude balance test by assembling the crank and flywheel on the tractor and spinning the combination with a 1/4 hp electric motor using a v-belt {without the conn. rods connected}.

Your thoughts..... ..... .....

Thanks in advance!
Jon

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Clooney

09-10-2003 19:11:18




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 Re: Flywheel Crankshaft Balance on model D. in reply to Jon, 09-10-2003 15:12:40  
Jon, as you know the "D" Doesn't use a balance weight on the clutch driver but instead uses a large counterbalance bolted to the R/H crankshaft throw inside the crankcase.
~To get a decent balance you will have to balance the crank & flywheel as a unit. That R/H counter weight is just as important as the flywheel as it balances the R/H crank throw + rod.
~Even then the original balance was done using the flywheel, crankshaft, & a portion of the rod weight bolted on the crank journals using special weights.
~I doubt just welding & building up & machining on the crank journals will effect the original balance that much as all that will happen is they will be returned to original size & weight. Unless you are stroking it, the balance probably won't change much.
~If you really want to balance the crank & flywheel just run it after assembly & play with some clay or stick-on weights until it runs smooth [well sort of] as those D's have a lot of reciprocating weight, then make a permanent bolt on weight from steel.
~About your only other choice is to send the entire crank, flywheel, rods, & pistons out to be spun balanced. ~The flywheel counter weight & R/H crankshaft counter weight are NOT just placed 180� opposite each other for vibration control like a twice crankshaft speed countershaft [balance shaft] , those counter weights are there to off-set the crank throw & crank pin weight, the only reason they are 180� opposite each other is the engine has a 180� crankshaft.

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John T

09-10-2003 20:21:07




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 Re: Re: Flywheel Crankshaft Balance on model D. in reply to Clooney , 09-10-2003 19:11:18  
Thanks for the info, I wasnt sure them dern D's were the same on balance as the others. Take care my northern friend and neighbor. John T



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Earl S.

09-10-2003 19:48:41




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 Re: Re: Flywheel Crankshaft Balance on model D. in reply to Clooney , 09-10-2003 19:11:18  
Clooney, What percentage was used on the piston assembly to come up with the correct Bob weight to spin balance. I have been unable to come up with that number from any of the balance machine manufactures. It seems like most stock Deere 2cyl run the smoothest at 900rpm.Without rebalancing I have noticed the old "A" and "G" that had cast iron pistons replaced with aluminum piston run a lot smoother at all speeds. I assume they are not in perfect balance at all speeds. Earl

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John T

09-10-2003 18:04:17




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 Re: Flywheel Crankshaft Balance on model D. in reply to Jon, 09-10-2003 15:12:40  
Hey there Jon, CAUTION, Im not much into D's whatsoever, and although this is true for the smaller Deeres of that vintage like A and B and G etc., Im thinking its also true for a D, so take this with a grain of salt.

The flywheel is indeed out of balance and heavy on one side, but thats to counterbalance the also out of balance clutch driver disk. Those 2 heavy sides (flywheel and cluth disk) must be installed 180 degrees opposite from each other or you get bad vibration. That offest counterbalance action helps reduce vibration similar to the out of balance countershafts instaled in newer smaller cars to keep them smooth.

Your questions answers therefore, are:

1) NO, the flywheel is not match balanced to the crankshaft. (its out of balance by itself)

2) You should be able to balance the lone crankshaft without the out of balance flywheel or out of balance (but 180 opposite from flywheel) clutch drive disk attached.

Im sure the other good ol boys and D men can confirm or correct this and we can all learn something.

Good Luck n God Bless

John T

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