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820 D speed problem. Clooney? F- I -T ?

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John in MN

09-02-2003 06:55:47




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I have a black dash 820 D that I bought from another collector. While working it I noticed that the fast idle only goes to 1000 RPM when wide open. I have checked it with a photo tach on the pulley and it also reads 1000. I have checked the fast idle adjustment bolt and someting is restricting the throtle lever from opening all the way. In the wide open position the lever is still 1/4 inch away from hitting the fast speed stop bolt. I don't think anything is catching on the linkage to prevent full travel.
Question #1 - Would the former owner have set the rpm down to hide a problem with the engine?
#2 - If I wanted to increase the rpm to factory would I look at setting the racks back up or adjusting on the governor?
#3 - How do you get thoes "Welsh" caps out to adjust the racks and gov.?
I would be greatfull for any help as I want to work the tractor durring harvest very soon. That's half the fun of owning one of these things! - John

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buickanddeere

09-02-2003 18:59:52




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 Re: 820 D speed problem. Clooney? F- I -T ? in reply to John in MN, 09-02-2003 06:55:47  
There are some collectors/operators who have got the incorrect idea in thier heads that. "The slower the engine runs the longer it will last." They tend to be the people with loose flywheels. Lugging an engine causes more wear than operating it at rated load at rated rpm.



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Clooney

09-02-2003 18:59:20




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 Re: 820 D speed problem. Clooney? F- I -T ? in reply to John in MN, 09-02-2003 06:55:47  
John, there are many things that could limit that throttle lever from traveling to the stop screw. Try disconnecting the link rod & see if it will then travel far enough. ~You could easily have a restricted rack travel as well as a multitude of other related problems. ~That rack/ throttle linkage/ governor adjustment is very complex on that 820 & I would have to type a book to talk you through it [& I would still probably miss a step]....I would strongly suggest that you get the proper Deere service manual [or even an I&T manual ] & work your way through the complete throttle linkage & governor & rack adjustments--Plan on spending a while doing it...

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F-I-T

09-02-2003 07:21:33




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 Re: 820 D speed problem. Clooney? F- I -T ? in reply to John in MN, 09-02-2003 06:55:47  
John:

Not sure I can help, but here are a few thoughts.


I think your 820 is rated at 1125, and the fast idle should exceed 1250 rpm. Let me think this through out loud as I look at the parts book. The throttle is linked via a rod and adjustable clevis to a cross shaft. The cross shaft terminates with a speed control rod. I take it this is connected to the governor. You could disconnect that rod and try to pull it away from the governor by hand. If that works, you might just have to adjust the clevis on the other side to get more throw.

After that it is probably a rack adjustment. The Welsh plug is just a tin cap (similar to a knockout in an electrical outlet box). It is convex with a sharp edge, so when you tap in the center it gains circumference, and it locks in place. You can proibably remove it with a small chisel, or drill (carefully) a small hole, insert a sheet metal screw and pry it off. Nes ones are available, so don't try to dsave it. Most are missing from previous adjustments anyway. As I recall, turning the screw in increases the rack setting. Make this adjustment with the engine warm.


>>Question #1 - Would the former owner have set the rpm down to hide a problem with the engine?

I don't think so, but who knows ? They run pretty smooth at 1,000 and start to sound antsy at 1150. I always thought they sounded almost out of control at 1250, but that's just me. I would think if it sounds good at 1,000, it will sound ok at 1250.


>>#2 - If I wanted to increase the rpm to factory would I look at setting the racks back up or adjusting on the governor?

I think you adjust that on the racks. I don't kjnow the setting for an 820. Someone else will have to provide that.

>>#3 - How do you get thoes "Welsh" caps out to adjust the racks and gov.?

See above.

>>I would be greatfull for any help as I want to work the tractor durring harvest very soon. That's half the fun of owning one of these things! - John


Amen !

Frank

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Joe

09-02-2003 18:17:10




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 Re: Re: 820 D speed problem. Clooney? F- I -T ? in reply to F-I-T, 09-02-2003 07:21:33  
Unless the 820 fuel system is drastically different from the 720, I believe the rack opens to the left side of the tractor. This would make the increase adjustment out and not in.



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