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BUDD

09-01-2003 04:33:53




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John T/Clooney;

I have the coil and Distributor installed. I put it on Dyno and showed no increase at all in HP. I does pull down a lot better though. I wired it per your suggestions (thank you) 1.8 ohm resister, 12 volts to the - side of coil. Yesterday I was playing around with this set up. I pulled the plug out and checked the spark at the plug. The spark is not blue it is orange in color. From what I have read here in the past orange is not good. Everything is new (cap, rotor, plugs, wires, and points). Just for the heck of it I jumped a direct 12 volts to the coil and the sparks at the plug increase a very noticeable amount. What is going on with this any ideas? THANKS(";")BUDD

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Clooney

09-02-2003 09:08:13




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 Re: Coil update in reply to BUDD, 09-01-2003 04:33:53  
Budd, the no power difference doesn't surprise me, as long as the original spark was at the correct time & hot enough to ignite the mixture in the cylinder, any additional spark length or duration won't help any. If that is a high output coil you will probably have to open the plug gap to around .045� to see any gain at all & it will be small at that. The larger plug gap will help the idle & low RPM lugging though..
~On your orange spark?..If it really is orange or yellowish/orange & not red you probably are a little low on coil input power. ~What coil are you using? Seems like I recall a high output coil? [I can't remember].
~You might want to check the voltage at the input side of the ballast resistor to be sure you have at least 12+ volts with it running [maybe you have high resistance in the ignition switch].
~Is there any writing on the coil you are using? If so what does it say? ~If it is an aftermarket high output coil you really should call the coil manufacture & ask them what they recommend for a resistance package on THAT particular coil�
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John T

09-01-2003 20:25:15




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 Re: Coil update in reply to BUDD, 09-01-2003 04:33:53  
Hey there Budd, Sorry, I was in Pontiac & Camp Dearborn Michigan all weekend just got back and forget now what we originally advised and your specific problem was?? If I recall you converted to 12 volt and used your old 6 volt coil right???

If thats what you did (added a ballast resistor and used the old 6 volt coil), theres a possibility the ballast is a bit too high resistance. Ideally, if it (ballast) matched the DC resistance of your coils primary (between lil + and - terminals) you have a 50 / 50 voltage divider and 6 volts would drop across the ballast leavign 6 across the coil as it was designed for and used prior to your conversion.

If the coil measures more like 1.3 to 1.5 ohms and you added 1.8 ohms of ballast, youre not running quite enough voltage and current through the coil. A popular NAPA Ballast is around 1.82 I believe and is used on many coils, but if your particular coil is quite a bit lower in resistance, you may need a less than 1.8 ohm ballast.

It would be normal to have more spark energy with the ballast by passed, but you are probably exceedign the max allowable current through the points and coil which causes premature point failure plus over heated coils.

If you are running a 6 volt non internally ballsted coil, it should be wired with the terminal leading to the distributor matching what ground system you have i.e wire + of coil to distributor on + grnd or - of coil to distributor if your battery is negative grounded.

The output from the ignition switch should be wired to the series ballast and the ballast output then goes to the coil with the coils other terminal to the distributor, is that how you have it wired????? ?? The ballast has to be in series with the circuit from the switch to the coils high (non distributor) side. If the ballast resistance exactly matched the coils primary resistance, with the points closed, there would be 12 volts on the ballast high supply side and 6 volts on the ballast load side (which is the coils input, non distributor side). With the points open and no circuit to conduct current, there would be 12 volts (depending on type and quality of voltmeter) on either side of the ballast or coils input. What are your voltage readings now with the points closed????? ??? If youre seeing a lot less than 6 to the coil (which is what you should see) you may have to use a lower resistance ballast.

You say the points and wires and plugs are new?? did you use wire core and not carbon auto suppresor type wire???

Lmme know what you find and e mail [email protected] or call (812) 824-4608 or post back any more questions.

Good Luck n God Bless

John T Nordhoff in Indiana

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