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John Deere 70 .. broken valve spring ... change on

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andy

08-26-2003 18:17:07




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I had problems getting my John Deere 70 gas to start today. Went through everything that usually caused problems ..... checked for gas, checked for spark. Everything OK. When I had the plugs pulled out and cranked the engine I noticed the left cylinder didn't have any compression. Took off the valve cover thinking I might have a rocker arm hanging up. (Been there, done that before). Everything was moving OK. But upon close examination I found a broken valve spring which is not closing the valve. Here at the computer I can't tell you whether it is an exhaust or intake. I think intake. It would be one of the middle two. CAN THIS BE REPLACED WITHOUT REMOVING THE HEAD? Have replace GM valve seals before on my General Motors products without removing the heads. IF it can be done are there any tips to getting the job accomplished? Eventually I want to pull the head as I think I have a seepy head gasket. Right now I use it for loader work and have many things to do before fall. Therefore I just want to get it running. Thanks.

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andy

08-27-2003 20:32:36




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 Re: John Deere 70 .. broken valve spring ... chang in reply to andy, 08-26-2003 18:17:07  
Thanks guys ..... all good ideas. I think I will try the rope idea. Appreciate your help. Just for your knowledge a new spring is about $22.00 from a JD dealer. I assume the valves on the outside are the exhausts and the valves in the middle of the head are intakes? Right? Thanks again. andy



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Britt Misker

08-27-2003 16:16:19




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 Re: John Deere 70 .. broken valve spring ... chang in reply to andy, 08-26-2003 18:17:07  
There is a safe way to change valve springs out in the field or where you don't have an air compressor. I use this method on aircraft engines all the time. First remove the rocker arms to gain access to the valve and spring retainer. Then remove the spark plugs. Find a 20 to 30 foot length of 3/8" rope that will fit through the spark plug hole. (A John Deere may take up to 50 feet of rope.) Then, with the piston at bottom center, feed the rope into the cylinder. (Leave a short amount of rope hanging out of the spark plug hole so you can remove it later.) Then turn the engine BY HAND until the rope is held up against the valves. At this time you can compress the valve spring and remove the keepers. I have a tool that hooks under the rocker arm shaft and presses on the spring retainer. (With the rockers removed from the shaft.) Once you have removed the spring, it is possible to actually push the valve part way into the cylinder (after removing the rope) and by looking through the spark plug hole, inspect the valve face for wear or damage.
On certain aircraft engines that have experienced sticking valves, I have removed the manifold and secured the valve with safety wire. Then I push it into the cylinder and ream the carbon from the valve guide. Following that I have been able on some engines to bring the valve stem out through a spark plug hole and clean the carbon from the stem with Scotch Brite. Following that, working through the manifold opening in the head and through the spark plug hole, I manuver the valve around and reinstall it in the guide. Then redo the rope trick, install the spring and keepers, manifolds, rockers, etc. and voila, start her up. Just rember, turn the crank BY HAND to compress the rope against the valves and when done turn the engine in the opposite direction to relieve the pressure from the rope. Don't put the rope in the cylinder until the rocker arms are removed, or you could get rope caught under the valve. This proceedure takes some patience and dexterity, but it is definately quicker and cheaper than taking the head off.
Good Luck
Britt

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Jack

08-27-2003 14:16:05




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 Re: John Deere 70 .. broken valve spring ... chang in reply to andy, 08-26-2003 18:17:07  
I had one to break on my 1956 70 and I was able to have someone hold a screwdriver in the plug hole while I pressed it in to replace the broken one with a new one.Those intake springs aren't to bad to compress.Good luck.Jack(TN).



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Clooney

08-27-2003 03:51:17




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 Re: John Deere 70 .. broken valve spring ... chang in reply to andy, 08-26-2003 18:17:07  
Andy, you can easily replace that spring without removing the head.. ~The safest way is to take an old spark plug, then break the center out of it, then weld or braze an air hose fitting to that spark plug, then screw it into the cylinder you are working on & put [& maintain] about 50-70 lbs of air pressure on that cylinder. That will hold the valve tight on it's seat & allow the valve spring to be compressed without pushing the valve into the cylinder.
~While I don�t recommend this,, I have in the past replaced those valve springs without air pressure by using a screw handle type valve spring compressor [not the pry bar type] & carefully compressing the valve spring, then removing the old one, then compressing the new valve spring while away from the tractor, then CAREFULLY setting the compressed valve spring over the loose valve, then inserting the keepers as the spring compressor is slowly released�.
~Some of those springs are soft enough to remove with your fingers but without air pressure in the cylinder you risk pushing the valve into the cylinder�

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