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46 B spark problem

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46 B

07-30-2003 04:39:19




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I have a B with the famous Wico C magneto. The tractor misses on the right cylinder(clutch side). When the sparkplug wire is pushed completely into the magneto cap opening, no spark.

When I pull the sparkplug wire out a short distance within the cap opening or just outside of the opening, the plug fires. The spark that jumps from the magneto cap to the sparkplug wire does not seem as strong as the spark for the left cylinder. The tractor will run on one cylinder with the left cylinder. When I try running on one cylinder with the right sparkplug wire, the tractor slowly dies off.

The problem is also rpm sensitive. At low rpms when I have the sparkplug wire sitting just right within the cap, the tractor will fire more steadly but still miss occassionaly; however, when I speed up the tractor, the right cylinder will fire more steady. At wide open throttle I could pull a load and not have a miss very often; slow the rpms down and the miss reappears.

Thanks for any input on what I need to repair/replace to solve this problem. I would guess replacing the C magneto with an X would solve the problem.

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Clooney

07-30-2003 06:59:27




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 Re: 46 B spark problem in reply to 46 B, 07-30-2003 04:39:19  
46B, your basic problem is a partially fouled R/H spark plug. So replacing the plugs is a good place to start. When you pull the plug wire partially off all you are doing is forcing the mag output voltage to build higher so when it jumps your big artificial gap is just jumps the plug gap like it isn�t even there.
~I'm not as sold on the auto-lite plugs as most of the others here. I have had extremely good luck with all the brands but some do work better than others in a particular tractor. ~Your best bet is find some old stock spark plugs [pre computer controlled car era] as those have glazed center porcelains]. Most plugs anymore don't have a glazed porcelain & those non glazed plugs do foul quite easily on the low KV spark Deere mag systems, [all it takes is a couple of misfires to foul some plugs]. Usually when someone says one plug works better than another it�s because the one they like has the glazing.
~The other thing to check is that you have solid metal core spark plug wires� Automotive TVRS carbon core resistor wires are NOT to be used on a mag system as the mag can�t produce enough spark to overcome the resistance & still give a good spark at the plug gap..

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John T

07-30-2003 06:36:09




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 Re: 46 B spark problem in reply to 46 B, 07-30-2003 04:39:19  
Good Morning B Guy, Before I get too deep into any Mag problem, Id prefer you check the plugs and be sure they are clean and not partially fouled, cuz one way to make a partly fouled plug fire is to pull its wire away from a terminal or create an extra added artificial gap in the plug wire circuit (maybe 1/8 to 1/4 inch), and then an otherwise bad plug can go ahead and fire. You might swap plugs and wires side to side to see if you isolate a bad wire or plug or just try a fresh set of Autolite 388 plugs and see what happens first and maybe a different set of wires to insure they are not the problem.

At idle on the single barrell carbs, its common for the left cylinder to fire stronger than the right anyway you know. Also, you need to be runnign wire core and NOT carbon ciore auto suppresor type plug wires.

If one side still produces a better spark than the other (with good wires and plugs), the same set of points and coil and condensor produces BOTH sparks (could be a difference in the points gap if rotor or rotor bushings are worn, try a slight gap increase to maybe 0.017), also check the gap on BOTH high cam lobes, if the rotor bushings are worn and the rotor wobbles, that can make an RPM spark difference which a wider gap may help temporarily. If the rotor and bushings and cam lobes check out, its time to look at the caps and rotor and the lil spring & assembly where the outer cap mounts to the inner, and look for cracks or residue or carbon traces in the caps and/or terminals or for carbon build ups or cracks by them etc. etc.

Of course, the points need to be clean and NOT gray oxide coated (if so clean/polish them) and need replaced if they are burned or pitted or carboned up bad, and make sure the points spring or wires to the points are not shorted or frayed.

Duane Larson is very knowledgeable and has good specs and detailed info on those C mags also, but check the plugs and wires and cap and its mount (esp spring and rotor assembly) and the rotor tips and see if that cures the problem.

Good luck n God Bless

John T Nordhoff in Indiana

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