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70D

07-23-2003 16:32:33




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I'm going to do some painting with JD classic green and hardner bought at Napa which is the 8010 kind but the hardner does not say how much to add to the paint so has any one used this combition if so could you tell Me your ratio hardner to paint.

Thanks as always 70D




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F-I-T

07-23-2003 16:49:17




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 Re: Paint Hardner in reply to 70D, 07-23-2003 16:32:33  
70D:

I left you a message on the other board with my recipe.

Frank



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Clooney

07-23-2003 17:56:20




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 Re: Re: Paint Hardner in reply to F-I-T, 07-23-2003 16:49:17  
70D, you might want to invest in a GOOD canister respirator, or better yet a fresh air supply pump & mask. Most if not all enamel hardeners contain Isocyanates & Isocyanates are very bad for your short & long term health. Dust masks won't help a bit & even canister type respirators are not very good if the canisters are not changed daily. I personally use a fresh air system & wouldn't think of using a hardener without one. Do a little internet search on Isocyanates & you will be able to decide how much protection you personally need to protect your health.
~On the hardener to paint ratio, most are 8 of paint to 1 of hardener [it will be on the can]. I have found I personally get better results when using Deere synthetic enamel by mixing 8 paint, 3 of reducer & 1 of hardener. Try different reducer ratios yourself as the amount of reduction varies by gun type, air pressure, ambient temperature, & painting technique. Resist the urge to put on too heavy of a coat on each pass & use a lighter coat with multiple coats to achieve a better paint job with less runs. That synthetic Deere enamel will go on kind of orange peel looking but will settle down & flow out nicely if it isn't sprayed in the direct hot sun. ~Start with the bottom of the tractor & hard to spray corners & nooks as they take a lot of time to spray & then once you get all the hard to spray places cut-in you can put a couple of nice even coats over the main part of the tractor with a nice smooth painting action. Painting isn't hard it's just a long learning process...

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JDGnut

07-24-2003 18:57:17




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 Re: Re: Re: Paint Hardner in reply to Clooney , 07-23-2003 17:56:20  
Cloony.. 8/3/1... what kind of paint gun are U using.. is that a HVLP gun?? NAPA also has a synethic enamal hardener.. I have been practicing my Clearcoat over the syn enamal... Looking good so far... haven't start painting the good stuff yet... JDGnut



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Clooney

07-25-2003 02:57:02




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Paint Hardner in reply to JDGnut, 07-24-2003 18:57:17  
JDGnut, I'm using a compliant conventional [gravity feed] gun. Being compliant makes the transfer rate close to a HVLP gun.
~I have used the NAPA synthetic hardener with good success.
~I have found that the Deere synthetic enamel needs less reducing [thinning] than regular acrylic enamel automotive paints.
~How long are you waiting before spraying the clear over the Deere synthetic? What type of clear are you using?
~I have had a few problems putting urethane clear over Deere synthetic if the synthetic isn't cured for a few weeks..

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F-I-T

07-25-2003 08:59:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Paint Hardner in reply to Clooney , 07-25-2003 02:57:02  
Now this is interesting to me, because the Deere enamel I have sprayed down here is by far and away thicker out of the can that either PPG or DuPont acrylic enamels. That's why I have had to go to thinner, multiple coats. If I back off on reducer, it just doesn't like to atomize as well. Maybe with my new gun it might make a difference.

I have notciced that the JD fast dry is the thinnest, and then next comes Classic Green, and then the ag Green, which seems very thick !

I'm kind of old fashioned in that I use a viscosity cup to get relative readings to use to set up enamels that I don't often paint. The acryilics I can adjust with reducer volume and temperature, but the synthetics I can adjust by viscosity.

I thought it might have something to do with higher temps when I paint, but that should make the paint pour faster, too.

On the clearcoat over synthetic or alkyd's, make sure it is good and cured. I just painted over some that was a over a year old. Cleaned it up with 400 grit wet and sprayed on the clear. I've been told that unless it's very, very, cured, you might get some "separation anxiety".

I just tried some clear on some wood that I have exposed to the weather. Kind of expensive varnish, but not if it lasts for 4 or 5 years.

Frank

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