Rare John Deeres

Thank you,

Jon

If you are really interested in researching the 50-W, I would suggest that you locate copies of the Nov-Dec 1990 and Jan-Feb 2000 issues of Two-Cylinder magazine. The April 2002 issue of Green Magazine would also be a good resource.

Dennis

You make an excellent point about the High-Clearance 50-W being a story similar to the 'Streeter D'. I will watch with interest to see what argument(s) will be made to discredit the 50-W but yet keep the accepted 'rare' status of the Streeter D intact. Actually, the 50-W was the 'official' model name of a tractor produced in 1953 (and 1953 only) while, as I understand it, the Streeter D was simply a 'nickname' applied to a number of 'nothing special' Model D's that were built in the street outside the factory which had re-tooled to produce a new line of tractors. For sure, we will hear that the Streeter D is "desirable" and the 50-W is not. We will hear that there were "many more" Model 50's produced in 1954, 1955, and 1956 that were configured like the 50-W but not called 50-W's(but we won't be told how many "many more" is because no one has any idea how many such tractors were produced). However, what we do know for a fact is that only 133 50-W's were built and they were ALL built in 1953.

Dennis

I think that most people on this list would prefer not to hear anything more about the 50W issue. Had your complete statement of

" However, what we do know for a fact is that only 133 50-W's were built and they were ALL built in 1953"

had been included in the ad there would have been no issue to discuss or take exception to.

I trust this will conclude this unfortunate discussion.

If someone wanted to take the time to go back and research this ongoing conversation about the 50-W, they will find you seem to be the driving force to discredit the 50-W. You will notice that I didn't start this thread and am merely an interested observer. I do find it interesting that you chose not to comment on Jon's question about the similarity of the 50-W to the Streeter D. As for quoting me, my ads have always been very clear thank you. A 1953 50-W is one of only 133 built because 50-W's were only built in 1953. Unfortunately, you are the one that constantly makes reference to "many more" 50-W's built in 1954 thru 1956 when you know that they were not 50-W's and were never referred to as such by John Deere or the John Deere Archives. You are also well aware that no one has any idea how many such tractors were built, but yet you continue to say "many more" to confuse the issue and create doubts about the 'true' 50-W. I suspect if there was a 'true' 50-W sitting in your storage building your take on this issue would be entirely different.

Dennis

Is it really all that important to you or is this now a peronal vendetta? The issue i am addressing is "Truth in Advertising" I do not see any similarity between the "Streeter D's" and the 50W issue. The D's that were built on the street are fully documented by serial number and therefore can be positively identified by a collector. The 50W's built in 1953 can be identified by serial number and through a archive search. But to say that they were the only JD 50's configured like a 50W is misleading. Yes, JD only maintained records on the 50W's made in the 53 model year. But to say only 133 were built of that configuration, which implies there are no other configured like that, is misleading. They did not keep records of those tractors of identical configuration built after 1953.

The real issue is how many will show up at any given show. There may be two at a given show, which was mentioned recently on another thread. Yes, we could determine if one or both are documented by JD as part of the 50W production in 1953, or possibly they were not documented. If they are of the 1953 production they may be of more value. The market will dictate that.

It would be a great diservice to a potential buyer for him to think their were only 133 configured like the one he just bought only to find out at the next show he went to there were two others of the same configuration but not built in 1953. I'm not sure that buyer would be very happy to find out that he had purchased something based on inadequate facts provided by the seller. I totally agree with the statement that there were only 133 50W's built in 1953. I do not agree that there were only 133 50's built in the 50W configuration during the production lifetime of the model 50 tractor.

Is this a "personal vendetta"? Is this all that important to me? Let me refresh your memory. You are the one (under your 'other' name) that publicly questioned my integrity this past winter on another discussion board (I bet you were relieved when they changed their format and all of the archived evidence of that act disappeared. Is that why you are hiding behind an alias today?). You didn't just say that some guy selling a tractor was misrepresenting his tractor, you made a point of telling the world that it was Dennis Wegner that was misrepresenting his tractor. It didn't make any difference that what you were saying was false, you just said it anyway. So, is it that important to me? Yes, my reputation is very important to me. You seem to be the one on a "vendetta". Go back and do a search and you will find that your alias or your 'other' name always seem to pop up whenever there is any discussion about the High-Clearance 50-W.

My ads are not, and have never been, misleading. The fact of the matter is that my tractor is a 1953 50-W, one of only 133 built. I have confirmation of such from the John Deere Archives. I always refer anyone that is interested to check the Nov/Dec 1990 and Jan/Feb 2000 issues of Two-Cylinder. They can check the information for themselves. Yes, there were Model 50's built in 1954, 1955, and 1956 that were configured like the 50-W, but they aren't 50-W's. We have no way of knowing how many such tractors were built. We do know that there were 133 50-W's built, period. As I have told you before, if all of this bothers you so much, take it up with Deere and the John Deere Archives.

Dennis

Thank you,

Jon

Ubnfortunately, while only the 50W's built in 1953 are identifiable by serial number, those built in the following years of the exact same configuration are not. W/o looking at the serial number plate they would be identical.

I think what we are dealing with here is only bragging rights. I own a "Streeter D" or I own a "50W" that can be identified by serial number