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JD 50W High-clear- won't sell ?

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Chris

07-07-2003 10:22:35




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why won't the JD50 sell under the photo ads ?

Are folks leary of the true identity ???




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Dennis

07-08-2003 04:39:37




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 Re: JD 50W High-clear- won't sell ? in reply to Chris, 07-07-2003 10:22:35  
Chris,

Since it is my tractor you are referring to, I believe I am best able to answer your question. Part of the problem is people like JDVan (See post below) who make comments like there were "many more made" three times in their post without a shred of evidence to back up their assertion. Actually, the folks at Two-Cylinder (See the Nov-Dec 1990 issue) believe there were fewer than 300 Model 50's built configured like the 'true' 50-W during the entire production run of the Model 50. Two-Cylinder also devoted several pages to this discussion in their Jan-Feb 2000 issue. Another reference for information about the 50-W would be the April 2002 issue of Green Magazine. Unfortunately, JDVan would have you believe this reference material doesn't exist and that his 'opinions' are fact. The fact is, the 50-W I am selling is one of 133 built and anyone that does any serious research will find that I am not misleading anyone by making that statement.

I have been told that I am "too proud" of my tractor and I take that as a compliment, better to be proud than ashamed. I have had offers from people that are looking for a rare tractor at a bargain price, but I will wait patiently for the buyer that appreciates the 50-W for the wonderful, very limited production tractor that it is.

Dennis

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JDVan

07-08-2003 19:47:01




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 Re: Re: JD 50W High-clear- won't sell ? in reply to Dennis, 07-08-2003 04:39:37  
Now the rest of the interpolated data comes out, which cannot be substantuated. No records were kept of the additional 50's that were configured exactly like the 50W. Could be 2000 or 200. Nobody knows.



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JDVan

07-07-2003 23:19:05




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 Re: JD 50W High-clear- won't sell ? in reply to Chris, 07-07-2003 10:22:35  
IMHO, the reason the 50W High Clearance isn't selling is the asking price is too high and the representation of a limited production is streching the facts beyond reality. In early production there was a 50W but JD dropped the designation but continued to sell mnay more of identical configuration. So to claim a small number of these having been produced is possibly misleading as there were many more built than the seller represents. Yes, there were only a limited number recorded but many more were built. It seems to me that the improved value of an antique tractor only comes about if there were truly only a few built. Many more than the number claimed by the seller were built, they just were not coded at JD production as 50W's.

I own a JD 520 High Clearance tractor and I have done an archive search on the serial number. JD did not record this special configuration in their production records even though there is a leading JD Magazine claiming that only about 40 were built. That claim cannot be proven. Buyers need to be very cautious when a seller makes a claim of limited production quantities. Caveat Emptor!

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Dennis

07-08-2003 14:54:42




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 Re: Re: JD 50W High-clear- won't sell ? in reply to JDVan, 07-07-2003 23:19:05  
JDVan,

Potential buyers of my 50-W are always told to research the Model 50-W in the Nov-Dec 1990 and Jan-Feb 2000 issues of Two-Cylinder, in the April 2002 issue of Green Magazine, and with the John Deere Archives. I would suggest you check those references yourself. Maybe you could report back with your findings. In the meantime, would it be possible for you to tell us how many "many more" is? Is it 100, 2000, 15,000? By the way, as a member of the 'price police', you can probably tell us all where a one of only 133 built, Model 50-W should be priced, right?

Dennis

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JDVan

07-08-2003 15:26:32




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 Re: Re: Re: JD 50W High-clear- won't sell ? in reply to Dennis, 07-08-2003 14:54:42  
I have read all those articles and have done extensive research at archives. The same 2 Cylinder Magazine declared there were only 40 High clearance 520's built. There are no records to back up that either and a complete interpolation of history which may not apply. It is testimony to the educated buyers that they do not buy based on facts which are backed up by inadequate or misleading statements. Adding a few select words like 130 50W's recorded during the years JD kept records of 50W production would help bring credibility to the claim. It is the details that have been conveniently left out that are deceiving.

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Dennis

07-08-2003 18:23:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: JD 50W High-clear- won't sell ? in reply to JDVan, 07-08-2003 15:26:32  
JDVan,

Read the information again. Contact the JD Archives again. The 'true'(and only) 50-W was built in 1953. Calling tractors built in 1954, 1955, and 1956 50-W's is the real deception. They were not then and are not now 50-W's. Two-Cylinder's information and my information is coming from the staff at the JD Archives. Are you suggesting they are part of some great conspiracy? It is common knowledge that the type of records you would like to find for your 520 are not, and have never been, available. However, I have no doubt that if the records existed you would be touting the rarity of your tractor. It also sounds like you have some personal issues with a particular magazine.

Dennis

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JDVan

07-08-2003 19:26:30




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: JD 50W High-clear- won't sell in reply to Dennis, 07-08-2003 18:23:49  
Yes, I have issues with BS artists.



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Outsider

07-08-2003 21:21:43




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: JD 50W High-clear- won't s in reply to JDVan, 07-08-2003 19:26:30  
Fellas, This horse has been beat until dead. I think both are right. Sounds to me like the first year is rare but the same thing could be bought at a later time & was not recorded (big deal!!). Dennis, If your tractor is as rare as you, two-cyl., GM & archives says, it would have sold MONTHS ago for 3 to 4 times the price you are asking. I really do not think it will ever bring 1/4 of what a HWH will bring. Look at the GPWT top steer 400 or so made (3 times more common then your 133 made), asking price 40,000.00. I think it will sell quicker then a 50 of any configuration. It all about what collectors want & these discussions are hurting your tractor value.

After all the controversy of the last 10 times this tractor has been argued over. I think the collectors are disgusted & fed up. It has been a bad marketing decision. I don't think a true 50W or a later 50 with high clear options would bring what a nice row crop 50 will until the smoke clears.

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Dennis

07-09-2003 07:00:14




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: JD 50W High-clear- won in reply to Outsider, 07-08-2003 21:21:43  
Outsider,

If that is the case, then when the "smoke clears" I will be the proud owner of a very collectible JD Model 50-W, one of only 133 built. We can argue all day about what we will call the tractors that were built in 1954 and later that look like a 50-W but aren't and how many were built, but the fact remains that the final word belongs to the folks that keep the records. If the rarity of the 'true' 50-W had been first disclosed in a different publication, I believe some of the people that seem to be so bothered by this issue might be singing a quite different tune. It is unfortunate that so many people dislike a certain magazine editor so much that they will go to any length to discredit anything and everything the man says and writes.

Dennis

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Yea

07-08-2003 21:39:21




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: JD 50W High-clear- won in reply to Outsider, 07-08-2003 21:21:43  
Look at a low radiator G. 3250 were made but "no records" are out there to show how many were converted. We all know a Low G will bring 12 to 15K & a converted one is down in the 5 to 6K range. But I will bet you all that if a 40 G showed up with the low radiator parts on it (even not being a TRUE low G) you would see it bring 10K+ (most likely just for the parts).

So if a true 50W was really worth a $hit load then a later one with the 50W parts would be worth a fairly decent $hitload as well.

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Dennis

07-09-2003 07:16:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: JD 50W High-clear- in reply to Yea, 07-08-2003 21:39:21  
Yea (Outsider again?),

Maybe a 'premium price' would be a more appropriate term. How can we know what a 'true' 50-W is really worth? Other than mine, when is the last time you saw one advertised for sale at any price? Could it be that since only 133 were built that they are so scarce that they just are not available? I know where there is one available that is stuck and missing some parts and the seller is firm at $2500.00. Another consideration is that a good number of 50-W's were shipped to CA and the shipping from there to your place or mine is not inexpensive. Gosh, maybe my price is too low. Also, could the economy be having some impact on tractor prices?

I sure hope that we have answered Chris' question.

Dennis

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Henry J

07-07-2003 19:03:10




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 Re: JD 50W High-clear- won't sell ? in reply to Chris, 07-07-2003 10:22:35  
Chris

I almost bought a 50 wide once until i compared the HP to that of my 420. Just my 2 centagos. They are great JD's



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Ray

07-07-2003 17:39:20




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 Re: JD 50W High-clear- won't sell ? in reply to Chris, 07-07-2003 10:22:35  
It's still just an old 50,don't think they were
very popular anywhere.



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west

07-07-2003 13:32:50




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 Re: JD 50W High-clear- won't sell ? in reply to Chris, 07-07-2003 10:22:35  
to tell you the truth i never did like the model 50 by the time they were being built most folks were buying the bigger tractors and there is a big difference in a model 50 high clear than say a AWH or BWH!!! the 50 is kind of plain jane even if it is a high clear.



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