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leo

01-13-2004 14:10:19




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I have a 1937 model A , I run it on gasoline because kerosene is more expensive and harder to find here in mexico , but I find that it burns a lot of fuel in a short ammount of time.is that normal ? would it be just as fuel thirsty if it ran on kerosene?
and last , could I use diesel instead of kerosene?
I would also appreciate if you people could refer me to a good maintenance manual and operating manual.
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Clooney

01-13-2004 18:02:40




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 Re: fuel for model A in reply to leo, 01-13-2004 14:10:19  
Leo, the first place to look is at the carb load needle adjustment. Try leaning that up as much as you can & still have it pull a load [maybe start at 3/4 turn open from seated & see if it will pull there, if so try slightly farther in.

~You could have an economizer plug it that carb that is for a thicker fuel. Running gasoline would require a slightly smaller economizer plug [screw] for best economy.. I believe your carb came with a C in it.. I don't have chart handy but you might call Roberts Carb [Phone: (712) 262-5311] to see what economizer plugs are still available.

~Here's a biggie on fuel economy.. MAKE DARN SURE your air cleaner isn't plugged [especially the inner wire mesh].. That air cleaner inner mesh tends to plug with years of dirt & junk & that can really effect fuel economy.. About all you can do is pull it off the tractor & soak it in solvent then wash it out [or have it boiled out].. The other alternative is to drill the welds out & take it apart to clean it.

~You might have an ignition timing problem.. If your ignition timing is running late [retarded] that can kill your fuel economy.. Tell us what mag you are running on that A & we can help you there.. Of just advance your magneto until it starts to spark knock under load, then back it off until the knock goes away.. [top of mag turned to the rear advances the spark]

~On your burning diesel fuel question.. You can try it but diesel fuel isn't blended for a spark ignition engine & a lot of it will get by the piston rings & pollute your engine oil.. There are more BTU's per gallon in diesel so you would get better economy but some of it might have to be given back up as it probably won't work under a load with full ignition timing. A 50/50 mixture of diesel & gasoline would probably burn better but would still eventually foul your engine oil & coke up the backs of your exhaust valves. You will also have to keep the engine temperature up to burn a diesel type fuel or even a 50/50 mix.. You are much better off with gasoline or kerosene..

~Basically.. Make sure the air cleaner isn't plugged, then play with the load needle & ignition timing & see if you can't improve your economy that way.. I have a 37 A & while I don't work it hard it seems to run forever on a tank of fuel..

~On the manual? There isn't much for that 37 A, a good parts manual would be a good idea but the operators & service manual is a little lacking. There is a basic INSTRUCTION manual for the old A's & it covers basic repairs & fluid changes.. All I have is a re-print without any manual number but it's for the A prior to s/n 477000..

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TOM

01-13-2004 16:34:48




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 Re: fuel for model A in reply to leo, 01-13-2004 14:10:19  
Leo,

Have you tried adjusting the carb to a leaner [less gas consumed] mixture?

I think that if you ran pure diesel, you might have to increase your gap, or go to a different [hotter] plug, then you would have some possible issues with compression delta's...

This is unchartered territory for me, but it looks like "Old" gave you some experienced advice there...let us know what you find as the best option?

good luck,
tom

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old

01-13-2004 15:40:34




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 Re: fuel for model A in reply to leo, 01-13-2004 14:10:19  
I have a 35 B that when we where useing it years ago we would mix gas/diesel 50/50 and it seemed to do more work on less fuel that way and had more power also, and at idle puffed out smoke rings



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leo

01-14-2004 08:10:48




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 Re: Re: fuel for model A in reply to old, 01-13-2004 15:40:34  
Thanks a lot clooney,tom,and Old . I will try your recomendations but I will definetely desist on the diesel matter . I had my model A sitting for years in El Paso and amazingly it started right away when I went to retrieve it , I am sure I will have to change fluids and do some lubing . I have a lot to learn, but I will have a lot of fun with my tractor . on the way to Mexico , some federales pulled me over just to take a closer look a the old deere . it sure is an eye catcher.
allrighty then
leo
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