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$6k, 2020 update-calling all 2020 experts

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Scott#2

06-18-2003 14:16:58




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I finally got a chance to see and drive this "nice" 2020.

When I get there the first thing I notice the carb boot to air cleaner is off and no clamp. The arm on the adjustabe side of the 3p.h. was broken at one time where the threads begin and welded...no biggy. The serial # dates it to mid 66. I looked at the hyd. pump up front and noticed and/or felt (what I could feel) 6-7 large (1" or better hex head plugs around the o.d. of it. Is this the hi vol. pump or not? It's about 7-8 " around and whurs when running. The top end makes it's typical tapping sounds. The hours meter says 23XX and the tack looks original and works but I dont know about the clock, I ran it only about ten minuites and saw no tenths click off. Does this mean the hours clock could be inoperable? The guy said they did motor work on it at an earlier time because it smoked, (pistions and sent the head out.) I don't mind a little top end tapping, or a top end job, but I'm a little concerned about what I might find a little deeper in. The trans all 8 +4 seemed fine and the rear too. I engine studders a bit with sharp acceleration.

Now for the juicy (or bad)part:

The reason I couldn't run it very long is because the valve body cover plate on the rear hyd control for the remotes and the 3p.h. was spraying out fluid from a pinhole that the guy tried to repair with some epoxy of ome kind. This fulid had the color of an over creamed dark french roasted coffee. A little water maby? The shift boots looked original with one tiny break, dont think it go in there. What kind of damage could this cause to the power steering, hydraulics, trans, lines, etc? Can it be flushed ? Or is it even worth it? 3p.h. shutters coming down while standing on it. I offered him $5000 on a lark and it was refused, says he'll think about 5,500. I don't even know if it's worth that, but who am I to know?

It has new paint and decals and looks good and is complete and very straight. I'm not much into looks though. Does have 3 front wts. Tires are cracked, 60%, never loaded. The front tie rod end on the long bar from the steering wheel to the pitman is shot.


What do you think guys?

Thank You for all your help

Scott#2

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Steve - IN

06-18-2003 15:47:17




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 Re: $6k, 2020 update-calling all 2020 experts in reply to Scott#2, 06-18-2003 14:16:58  
Scott,
That sounds like the large pump in the front, it will run a loader. As it's a '66, it should have a power steering pump stuck into the timing chain cover, and also one in back. The hour meter is geared to keep correct time at rated RPM, ~2800, so if you spent most of the time at idle, you may not have seen the black/white spinner turn over.

You can get the latte look simply from condensation when it's humid coupled with not changing the fluid for a long period of time. I wouldn't flush it, if you drain it at the pump and dump the resevoir next to the radiator, you should get 97% of it. Buy a couple of 5 gallon buckets of fluid to refill it; it does take a lot. The milky fluid probably hasn't hurt the innards. There's probably enough pressure at that pinhole leak so JD Weld won't hold it -- maybe some real welding is in order.

Odd they had to do engine work with so few hours on it. As it sounds like they're running the carb without benefit of air cleaner, it might have had some more abuse along the way. Good thing is that at 2300 hours (assuming that's accurate), they didn't use it enough to really abuse it.

Important thing is whether you like it or not, as a loader will cost another couple of grand, and sounds like there'll be some other repair costs along the way. The upside is take a look at what a new 45hp tractor with loader will cost you.

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cannonball

06-19-2003 05:07:28




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 Re: Re: $6k, 2020 update-calling all 2020 experts in reply to Steve - IN, 06-18-2003 15:47:17  
too much money...bought a 401b with reverser 62 hp for 6200..it is a 1981 model...shop around you will be glad to pass this one up...have nice day may god bless



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Scott#2

06-18-2003 18:13:11




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 Re: Re: $6k, 2020 update-calling all 2020 experts in reply to Steve - IN, 06-18-2003 15:47:17  
I guess I should go get it. I dont mind a little engine or trans work as long as it stays minor - no bottom end work or complete overhaul. It just taps up top, like it was run hot at one time and it bothers me. I was mainly concerned about the milky fluid and the guy did say it hasn't run in quite some time. I also suspect that the running gear is in excellent shape it's tight. None of the load bearing points are worn. Just that one front tie rod end.

I wonder if I should hold out at 5500

Thanks Steve,

Scott

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buickanddeere

06-19-2003 07:35:32




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 Re: Re: Re: $6k, 2020 update-calling all 2020 expe in reply to Scott#2, 06-18-2003 18:13:11  
The front tie rod end being shot points to long hours with heavy loads on the front. The lack of an aircleaner clamp, an epoxy fix on the hydraulics point to quick cheap lazy fixes. The engine machine job and setting of the valve lash will be of equal quality. Pull the trans filter cover after trying the brakes a few times to lugg the engine down in 3rd gear a few times. It maybe full of filing$ from worn brakes or the addition of 90 weight gear lube where hyguard belongs. With the leak who know what they dumped in there just to keep it operational for a while. It's 37 years old. Run don't walk away and look for a 30 or later series that isn't beat up and repaired with baling wire and duct tape.

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Scott #2

06-19-2003 20:12:19




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: $6k, 2020 update-calling all 2020 in reply to buickanddeere, 06-19-2003 07:35:32  
The idae is to go no larger than a 2020 size machine. What 30 series machines are there that are comparable?

Thank You,

Scott



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buickanddeere

06-20-2003 06:43:55




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: $6k, 2020 update-calling all 2 in reply to Scott #2, 06-19-2003 20:12:19  
US tractors; 830,1530,2040,2240,2150,2155. Canadian/world wide;1020,111040,1140,1640,1350,1550,1750,1850,2040,1630,1030,1130,840,940,



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Scott#2

06-20-2003 17:25:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: $6k, 2020 update-calling a in reply to buickanddeere, 06-20-2003 06:43:55  
Thanks for the #rs. I'll keep my eyes open. It's just hard to find a decent machine at times. 6k is about at the top mf my budget, plus I nned other stuff. The guy said he would change the filter and fluid, mabey I should go back up and do your test. The stuff coming out was thin, not like hypoid. And he said it had been sitting for a while. What if there isnt any filings and how much to fix if there is?

Thanks,

Scott#2

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