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PSI converted to HORSEPOWER

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520-LP

06-17-2003 20:16:04




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I have a dynamometer that has had the gage replaced that only shows PSI 0 to 1500 does anyone have a scale or chart that converts PSI to HORSEPOWER that they could post or e-mail? thanks WAYNE




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Steve - IN

06-17-2003 22:50:46




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 Re: PSI converted to HORSEPOWER in reply to 520-LP, 06-17-2003 20:16:04  
520,

Sounds like you have a steady state dyno meant to pump oil or water. The readings you'll get are meant to indicate torque, which is then converted into HP by calculation.

Beyond that, it's tough to say. Who made the dyno and what size pump, etc.? Oil readings or water?

If you can post the maker of the dyno, maybe someone could help. As it is, there is no constant value from pressure to HP because of pump size variance.

If you have one that's meant to measure steam engines -- that's different. There is a fairly well agreed upon standard for those beasts to equate pressure to PSI.

How old is this dyno, and who made it?

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520- LP

06-18-2003 10:24:58




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 Re: Re: PSI converted to HORSEPOWER in reply to Steve - IN, 06-17-2003 22:50:46  
Steve the dynamometer is a M&W Gear co. the orginal gage had a scale 0 to 1500 psi and a horse power scale starting at 10hp at 60psi and 90hp 1410 psi but the rest is not very readable. it has oil that is pumped though it with a vaule that you close off to increase the pressure it is cooled by water running though a copper coil that is in the oil tank .



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FordsonV8

06-18-2003 13:18:23




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 Re: Re: Re: PSI converted to HORSEPOWER in reply to 520- LP, 06-18-2003 10:24:58  
Wayne, I also have a M&W pto dyno that I take to shows here in the England. I have had to replace the gauge as the original one was shot. I still have the old one so I can take readings of psi - bhp, next time I am down in the work shop I will have a look and get a photo. E mail me if you need more info



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Steve - IN

06-18-2003 12:23:28




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 Re: Re: Re: PSI converted to HORSEPOWER in reply to 520- LP, 06-18-2003 10:24:58  
520,

Wild guess is that's the same M&W Gear in Illinois that made all kinds of parts for Farmalls. I've got one of their throttles on my H.

They're still in business, and have a toll free parts number -- 800-446-5158. You might be able to get a manual for the machine -- I think it's called a model p400 or p400a PTO dyno. Seems like you've got the pressure scale figured out, but I think the way you turn the valve is fairly important, along with the viscosity and temp of the oil you use -- so best to check what the factory manual says.

Good luck with the project -- sounds like a fun thing to have.

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John T (Yo Neighbor Steve

06-18-2003 06:57:36




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 Re: Re: PSI converted to HORSEPOWER in reply to Steve - IN, 06-17-2003 22:50:46  
Yo Neighbor, my old engineers brain was also ponderign how PSI relates to HP. Im guessing the more torque and RPM applied to that Dyno, the more PSI it could generate via some sort of compressor. Then, since HP is a function of torque times RPM, if one knows the RPM hes running at and since the PSI being generated is a function of the torque applied, HP can be calculated. That how it works????? Youre a techy kinda guy.

Are you gonna be at any Indiana tractor shows this summer??? The State Fair maybe??? Im re restoring my 1938 Unstyled Long Frame B if I get at it. I need it repainted, new better mainfold, re do the carb again, and go through the mag (want a high mag strength rotor) and install my JD Factory Spoke rear rounds. Im also building from scratch what I am gonna name my Deere Massey. It was a Massey Ferguson 7 to which I added a diff 8 HP engine, upped the gear ratio, added seatign for 6, roof, CD player, mirrors, lights, and whatever else I can hang onto it lol and then paint it JD Green and Yellow with some black and chrome add ons. I want it to ride around on at Tractor Shows and my mother who is 80 dont like to walk much, so I can haul her around when we camp and travel. My 18 yo daughter came to the shop yesterday and procalimed "Thats the most Redneck lookign thing I ever saw" However, I bet once its painted nice I bet her and her friend will be cruising on it when we go to the New York Expo in July lol. Are you gonna be there?? Im giving seminars Friday and Saturday and you can heckle me lol.

Take care my neighbor friend. Ol John T also in Indiana

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daveo

06-20-2003 19:48:33




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 Re: Re: Re: PSI converted to HORSEPOWER in reply to John T (Yo Neighbor Steve, 06-18-2003 06:57:36  
John T,

I have GOT to see the machine that your daughter called,"Thats the most Redneck lookign thing I ever saw".....I'll expect a pic somewhere around here one the Green & Yellow have been applied! :)



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Stan - Florida

06-18-2003 12:32:01




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 Re: Re: Re: PSI converted to HORSEPOWER in reply to John T (Yo Neighbor Steve, 06-18-2003 06:57:36  
John T,

We will be expecting you to post a picture of your redneck Deere Massey on here when the time comes, OK?

Stan (formerly from Indiana, and "I bleed Gold and Black")



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John T

06-18-2003 12:54:00




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: PSI converted to HORSEPOWER in reply to Stan - Florida, 06-18-2003 12:32:01  
Will do Stan, Im working on it each day hot n heavy, hope to have it ready for paint in a week or so after all the mechanical is done. I bleed Black n Gold also, my undergraduate engineering degree is from Purdue BSEE 1969, but my Law Degree JD 1995 I had to get from here at IU lol. John T



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Stan - Florida

06-18-2003 13:23:25




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: PSI converted to HORSEPOWER in reply to John T, 06-18-2003 12:54:00  
John T.,

We're all Purdue Ags in our family - Dad in '30, me in '60, younger brother in '66, baby brother in '71. With my farming backgroud up in Hamilton County and my Ag degree, I ended up working for the old Collins Radio Company (bought by Rockwell International 30 years ago) for 34 years. I guess even technical companies can appreciate a solid BS background (pun intended).

Stan



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Steve - IN

06-18-2003 11:21:37




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 Re: Re: Re: PSI converted to HORSEPOWER in reply to John T (Yo Neighbor Steve, 06-18-2003 06:57:36  
Hiya neighbor,

You got the idea with steady state pump dynos. If Watt's ponies had been turning big pump handles instead of lifting coal, the idea might seem more reasonable. The pump type dynos don't do well at widely varying RPM's and over time as you can't easily vary the pump's resistance to torque and the torque needed to turn it changes as oil or water heats and cools. They are at their best with tractor, boat, airplane engines that spent most of their time at constant RPM's. For car engines you'd want to use some type of brake dyno, like an eddy current machine.

I was down at a little tractor show in Nashville around the first of May. Met an old guy with an Oliver that had a killer paint job from around Bloomington way -- he does good work, but said that was the last tractor he was gonna paint unless somebody could get him a new set of lungs. You gonna take your Deere Massey to Portland or the State Fair? I'll probably make those shows. Doubt I'll get to New York - so you're gonna need to find somebody else to heckle. My Mom turns 82 in a few weeks, and she just got a knee replaced so she wouldn't click when she walked. Her plan is that we all go to Germany in the Fall to see the towns her mother and her Dad's father came from and visit some of the cousins again, so that will be our big trip for the year. Hey - there's cousin Otto over there -- a pompous and overbearing (ex Hitler youth) mechanical engineer retired from Daimler Benz. He'd make a great heckler for you - would tell you why any US machine doesn't measure up to his standards. One of our nicer cousins has a '56 Holder tractor: 1 cylinder 2 stroke Diesel engine. I'll see if I can get a picture riding that thing and hope to hook up and see your redneck special Deere Massey at a show around here this summer.

be well,

Steve

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John T

06-18-2003 12:50:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: PSI converted to HORSEPOWER in reply to Steve - IN, 06-18-2003 11:21:37  
Hey Steve, I was there at Nashville (not far from my home in Bloomington), I heard someone was lookign for me. That old guy with an Oliver may have been Walder Reeves or Joe Fleener or Don Hobbs (you remember what Model???), Joe told me some guy was lookin for me. I will probably be at the State Fair, its really for my good tractor, Ive shown it there before, but the Deere Massey is gonna be fun to cruise around on if I can exhibit it??? I forget if I have your e mail, lets talk before the State Fair. John T

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Steve - IN

06-18-2003 13:43:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: PSI converted to HORSEPOWER in reply to John T, 06-18-2003 12:50:26  
John T,
Yup, might have been me. As we were talking to the guy he mentioned he was from Bloomington. Asked if he knew you and he said sure -- he was one of your best hecklers. Sorry, can't remember his name, I think he had a 66 Oliver and his son either owned it or did a lot of work on it. The tractor was a row crop narrow front and I think a 4 banger - so I'm guessing that's what it was. There were a couple of other guys from Bloomington with JD's he was parked close to, but didn't get a chance to talk to them. We left around 1 p.m. as the guy I was with is building a house on a big hill he bought outside of Nashville, and wanted to show off his place.

That's long term duty to show at the Fair, you need to be there for a week or more, yes?. Will be down there (it's close) so let's hook up. The email address here with the least amount of spam so I manage to catch most of the real emails is [email protected].

Steve

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