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Ralph

06-17-2003 12:08:39




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I'm trying to locate a John deere parts CD for a 40 J/D. I've tried to order from J/D but it is obsolete. Wondering if I can get a copy of this CD. DB 1239 dated 2001 if you have a copy or can burn a copy I would appreciate it. Thanks




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Ralph

06-18-2003 11:07:39




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 Re: John Deere Parts CD in reply to Ralph, 06-17-2003 12:08:39  

I sure didn't mean to start adiscussion on JD policies. I'm just trying to help a neighbor fix his transmission but need the info to get the right parts.I've already ordered the Parts and the service manuals for this machine but they dropped the other manual, if I don't get it from them where do I go to get it. They dropped me and all others who need this info. Thanks



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JDVan

06-18-2003 23:29:14




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 Re: Re: John Deere Parts CD in reply to Ralph, 06-18-2003 11:07:39  
DB 1293 CD only contained Parts catalogs for the 40 and other 2 cylinder Tractors. What other manuals are you looking for besides the parts and service manual? I'm trying to understand what manual has been dropped by JD. The Operators manual?



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JDVan

06-17-2003 22:16:07




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 Re: John Deere Parts CD in reply to Ralph, 06-17-2003 12:08:39  
I have been told by a VP at John Deere that the information you are looking for is still available on CD but in a different form. The way it is now supposed to work is you call JD Pubs and tell them you want specific information such as the Parts Catalog on the 40 and a Service manual. And any other information that is of interest. JD will then burn a custom CD for your specific needs. Keep in mind that only Parts Catalogs were available on the CD - DB1293. It now appears that you can get not only the Parts Catalog, a Service manual and operators manual on CD as well. There may be some advantages in this. I also was told that the cost of burning this custom CD will be just slightly less than the cost of the combined paper copies that are an alternative to the CD. I haven't tried to order one of these custom CD's so I don't know if the custom CD operation is up and running.

However, in my opinion JD has made a mistake. The CD - DB1293 was the bargain of the century for those of us who collect and restore more than one tractor. For those that do not have DB1293, the cost is going to be much higher to have access to multiple Parts Catalogs in their posession. In essence JD is penalizing the large collector to satisfy the smaller collector who didn't want to pay the $75 for the DB1293. This is where JD is making a serious error. I see no rerason why they could not have continued to offer DB1293 and added the capability of the customized CD. That leaves me to beleive that JD is trying to wring more money out of our pocket. However, it is their information, copyrighted and owned by them so they get to make those choices. I may not do so however.

Unfortunately, discontinuance of DB1293 has now created a illegal market for copies of DB1293. DB1293 is copyrighted by JD and should not be copied for any purpose other than a personal backup. Secondly, since I paid the full $75 for my DB1293 I do not agree with those who are copying it and selling it at a lesser cost, both privately and on eBay. It is my understanding that JD is agressively pursuing those that are doing so.

As much as I disagree with JD's new CD policy I do want JD to make adequate return so they continue to make their publications available to us collectors. That is the respect we need to have for the comapany that is selling the information so that any other information that becomes available is offered to us as well.

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Lee

06-17-2003 22:36:32




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 Re: Re: John Deere Parts CD in reply to JDVan, 06-17-2003 22:16:07  
"That leaves me to beleive that JD is trying to wring more money out of our pocket." Really!! $75 for what costs them $0.40 to start with and you think that they want even more money? Sure the first one cost them a bunch, but at that point the 2nd one cost them $0.40, I can't believe they have the gall to ask so much for a CD in this day and age and not be run out of town. It's as if they are asking for piracy at those prices, not that I condone it - I just understand it. Along with resenting it and them.

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JDVan

06-17-2003 22:49:02




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 Re: Re: Re: John Deere Parts CD in reply to Lee, 06-17-2003 22:36:32  
Lee:

I think you need to look at the information value that is contained on DB1293. If the equivalent were purchased in hard copy printed form from JD pubs it would cost over $1,000. I considered it a bargain at $75.

I am sure they have sold enough of the CDRoms to pay for their onetime development costs. But I am sure it took several to be sold to do so. The first CD may have cost them way more than $75.00.

It is no diffetrent than buying tooling to produce a plastic part. the tooling may cost $20,000 but the part may be sold for $1.00. It takes sales of 20,000 parts to pay just for the tooling not counting the recurring production cost.

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Lee

06-19-2003 03:46:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: John Deere Parts CD in reply to JDVan, 06-17-2003 22:49:02  
I would never suggest that they sell it for a dollar. Nor can I believe that they can't re-order the same CD (sorry, sold out????). I know people who produce their own custom silk screened CDs and give them away, so it can't cost very much at all. Since John Deere will eventually have to convert all printed materials to electronic media in the first place, why charge $75 when $20 is more in line?

If I had a job and a budget that often comes with a job, then I might consider $75 a bargin as you do - but I don't, so I consider it economic racisim just like I consider my rural 19.2 web connection economic racisim. And you won't change my opinion. The information _should_ be free for download in a perfect world...

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newgen

06-20-2003 06:29:55




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: John Deere Parts CD in reply to Lee, 06-19-2003 03:46:47  
But since you don' thave a job you think the world owes you a living?



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JDVan

06-19-2003 08:08:01




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: John Deere Parts CD in reply to Lee, 06-19-2003 03:46:47  
Just to set the record straight. I am retired and the budget I am working with is a retired persons budget. Compared to buying the CD contents in paper form the CD is reeasonably priced. In fact IMHO a bargain.

According to my sources at Deere the sales volume of the CD's were too low hence causing them to discontinue the products and offer a lower priced alternative for the one tractor owner.

However, I don't buy into that. If the CD was priced at $20, as you suggest, I would think the sales volume would have been much higher. I aslo think that if JD is trying to accomaodate the smaller collector with the custom CD's then why discontinue the larger content CD such as DB1293 for those of us who are willing to pay the $75. Pricing the new custom CD's at just less than the reprint hard copies is also missing the mark. If I were faced with making a choice I think I would go with the paper versions under those circumstamces.

Typically it is more profitable to reduce the labor content in a product for sale as much as possible. The labor content in the custom CD's has to be much higher than that in a standard CD such as DB1293 with the resultant COG also to be much higher. Then to price the custom CD's lower than DB1293 doesn't make any sense. It is obvious JD is pricing the product based on content value rather than manufacturing cost of goods and all the reported reasons for going to custom CD's is nothing more than a smoke screen. What is interesting is that the printed manuals are not copyrighted whereas the CD's are. It appears that the new policies will increase illegal copies of the CD's and encourage the personal copying of their reprint manuals. In both cases their returns will be reduced. I don't know how diligent JD will be pursuing those that make illegal copies of the CD's but it again puts JD in a confrontational relationship with their customer base.

It just seems JD "doesn't get it"!

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Pete/ME

06-20-2003 03:33:52




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: John Deere Parts CD in reply to JDVan, 06-19-2003 08:08:01  
Isn't it funny that the bigger a company gets the more it acts like the federal government.



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Larry G

06-19-2003 13:26:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: John Deere Parts CD in reply to JDVan, 06-19-2003 08:08:01  
Well said !



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p. christopher

06-17-2003 13:09:59




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 Re: John Deere Parts CD in reply to Ralph, 06-17-2003 12:08:39  

Sure, I�d be willing to violate U.S. copyright laws, exposed myself to liability and simultaneously de-value a commodity that I already paid full price for. How many would you like?



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Tire

06-17-2003 17:02:47




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 Re: Re: John Deere Parts CD in reply to p. christopher, 06-17-2003 13:09:59  
WHAT??? Didn't you make yourself a back-up copy in case your original gets scratched, destroyed, lost, or stolen? You should make several back-up copies and keep one at my house, one at P Christophers house, and a few other places too. That way you should always be able to locate a good back-up copy of your original investment.



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Ralph

06-19-2003 19:43:50




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 Re: Re: Re: John Deere Parts CD in reply to Tire, 06-17-2003 17:02:47  

Thanks for all the input on this subject, the part that sets me off is that today I got the two CD's that cost me about $110. and its just on the JD 40. I'm retired also and I'm going to make many BACKUP COPIES? I'll sell them for enough to buy whatever other copies I need or want. I won't make anything on them but I increase my library. Thanks for the interest, we know where the interest at JD is, $$$.

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