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TB SCOTT

06-04-2003 09:24:41




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Finally got a chance to put my 70 diesel back in the field for the first time in probably 10 years. Disked w/a 12' disc about 10 acres plowed ground twice over. Overall very happy with the way it runs but it seems to smoke black smoke more than it should...think I should send the nozzles out to be tested and rebuilt? Also there seems to be a low speed grumbling noise in 3rd gear near the 1st reduction gear housing in 3rd gear only...where do I start to trace that down? A very nice running and driving tractor...very fun :-)

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Blksmok

06-04-2003 10:41:59




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 Re: Hey F.I.T. or others in reply to TB SCOTT, 06-04-2003 09:24:41  
TB....Glad to hear you got your 70D back to work. You should pull the injectors and have them checked for "cracking" pressure, spray pattern and nozzle leakage. Our local JD dealer charges about $20 to check them out. Also, when you reinstall the injectors be sure to check your pump timing. Some blksmok is normal.

The 3rd gear growl on 70D's is fairly common because that's where they did most of their work for 40+ years and the gears are probably just worn from heavy use. Kind of expensive to fix.

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F-I-T

06-04-2003 11:42:01




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 Re: Re: Hey F.I.T. or others in reply to Blksmok, 06-04-2003 10:41:59  
I agree with BlkSmok. 3rd gear probably has 80% of the tough plowing/ground working hours on the tractor.

You COULD check the timing and high end rack setting before you pull the injectors. That can sometimes make a difference with smoking.

I don't recall if you have had those out recently, so the tips could be suspect if they are high hours. My personal view is that if you suspect the injectors, and you want to use the tractor for some real work, pull the pump and injectors, and have them rebuilt as a set. $300 and you'll know that part of the system is A-1. It really depends on how the fuel economy is, does it spritz oil on you, or does it smoke at idle. If it just smokes at high load, check the timing and rack setting, then check the injectors, then a rebuild (pumps et al), in that order.


Frank-in-Tallahassee
70D // 855

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TB SCOTT

06-04-2003 13:36:24




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 Re: Re: Re: Hey F.I.T. or others in reply to F-I-T, 06-04-2003 11:42:01  
Frank, this is the tractor that sat for appx 10 years because the older gentleman who had it had trouble starting the pony.....whoever heard of that???? It smokes black smoke even a little when going down the road but looks like a locomotive when pulling hard up a hill. The exhaust pipe is dry with no blubbering.



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F-I-T

06-04-2003 14:44:43




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Hey F.I.T. or others in reply to TB SCOTT, 06-04-2003 13:36:24  
TB:

It sure sounds like bad nozzles to me, if not bad breaking pressure on the injectors (which can effectively changes timing). Bad nozzles won't let the fuel atomize, and a drop of diesel fuel will smoke like mad, where as thousands of fine droplets will burn fairly clean.

Back a page or two there was a fella that had a black smopke problem with his 730, and it turned out to be two bad nozzles.

The nozzles aren't cheap, but there's no other way to fix it if it's tips.

Frank

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Scott 730

06-04-2003 15:36:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hey F.I.T. or others in reply to F-I-T, 06-04-2003 14:44:43  
I was the one with the smoking 730. Replaced both nozzles and cleaned and tested injectors. Bill was $180.00. Runs like a charm with just a slight hint of smoke now.



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TB SCOTT

06-05-2003 07:02:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hey F.I.T. or others in reply to Scott 730, 06-04-2003 15:36:31  
Where did you go to get them done?...or are they recons? thanks :-)



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Scott 730

06-07-2003 06:59:05




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hey F.I.T. or others in reply to TB SCOTT, 06-05-2003 07:02:12  
I took them to a local diesel repair shop. The tips are about $70 each at Deere and about $40 labor to have them cleaned and pressure tested. You should be able to find a similar shop in your area, or ask any implement dealer.



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