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Mike

05-31-2003 20:08:41




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I have been looking at a few 430's. I have a few questions for you guys: Does the five speed always have live power and the four non live? Is powersteering a common option or not? Also are there alot of problems with power steering? Is there any problem areas to look at on these tractors? Thanks for any and all help.




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Phil Sutton

06-02-2003 07:09:01




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 Re: 430 questions in reply to Mike, 05-31-2003 20:08:41  
I have a 430U with another 430 parts tractor. (No, I may need the parts).
I'm a little surprised that you are finding many to look at, as I understand they only made about 12,500 total of all three styles.
I agree with the post on the front wheel casting likely to be broken and welded.
It is available from 3rd party manufactureres for a little over $500. Both of mine were broken.
Another thing to watch is don't use over a 5' bush hog and use a slip clutch on the bush hog. The drive gear on the pto costs over $350 (I bought two when I used a 6' bush hog with no slip clutch).
I don't know how they get that much power out of the two cylinder, and it can't be all gearing because it scoots down the road in 5th gear.
Wish mine had power steering, as the front end loader is rough to steer.
good luck -- Phil

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Dan

06-01-2003 10:00:31




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 Re: 430 questions in reply to Mike, 05-31-2003 20:08:41  
I would agree with posts below. My uncle bought a 430 U with #35 loader in the 60s. No power steering unfortunately. He never took the loader off and bounced over the corrigations. I rebuilt the front end once for him, new steering gear box and all. I have the tractor and loader now and use it a lot. I take the loader off though when I don't need it as the #35 will come off in a few minutes and go back on in only a little more time. Have never broken front end parts except tie rods and the levers on the outer end that turn the spindals. Mine is a user rather than a shower so tie rods have been beefed up a bit. Outer tie rod ends from Deere are about 85$ each so I used the inner ends on an automotive type tie rod. The tractor I have has many hours, the hour meter hasn't worked for years. It will still do a lot of work and is very economical to run. Mine is a 4 speed with non live pto. Think the 3 point arms leak but only a little. If someone has a good way to rig sway bars for the 3 point on this tractor let me know.

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Wayne in Tn.

06-01-2003 11:19:51




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 Re: Re: 430 questions in reply to Dan, 06-01-2003 10:00:31  
Dan, your tractor is supposed to have the sway chains to control the amount of sway you want on the 3-point. They go from each lift arm to the drawbar, and can be adjusted by choosing links in the chains or different holes in the drawbar.



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Dan

06-01-2003 16:41:47




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 Re: Re: Re: 430 questions in reply to Wayne in Tn., 06-01-2003 11:19:51  
I have the chains.a They go from the lift arms to a point on the upper drawbar support and really do very little good. I tried putting a chain tightner on each side on the chain to shorten it but since the hook point is different from the lift arm, it is tight at the top and loose at the bottom. Have a JD setup made for this that has 2 arms in a v setup. The end in a box at the bottom and slide over teh drawbar. Arms are adjustable but it is rather a pain to hook up as you have to put it on first, then hook up lift arms. Also you have to have drawbar in the rear position. Have not seen this in parts so think it was a JD whole goods item. Also have not seen it in operator's manuel so think it must have been an afterthought.

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Wayne in Tn.

06-01-2003 18:28:36




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 430 questions in reply to Dan, 06-01-2003 16:41:47  
Yeah Dan, I guess that (U) is some different, I have never owned one. I have seen people use a metal bar that hooks on the implement along with the lift arm on one side, and then to a bracket with a pin, bolted at the axle housing, sort of like a stablizer bar.



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Wayne in Tn.

06-01-2003 06:57:45




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 Re: 430 questions in reply to Mike, 05-31-2003 20:08:41  
Mike, no, that is not actually correct, some 5-speeds are not "live" The way to tell which ones have it, is in the PTO engagement lever. "Live" goes in gear by moving the lever to the right, non-live goes in gear by moving the lever to the left.



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Steamer

06-04-2003 14:56:16




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 Re: Re: 430 questions in reply to Wayne in Tn., 06-01-2003 06:57:45  
Hi,

The live PTO and direction reverser units are mutually exclusive options (i.e. if you have a reverser you can't have live PTO). Usually, the live PTO option is better on a tractor, unless a loader is the main use, of course.

I have a 430w with live PTO and a 420 crawler with direction reverser. Both are still original, but the 430w doesn't get much use these days. I pretty much replaced it with a new 4500 and loader a couple years ago.

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Wayne, rest of the story:

06-01-2003 08:52:49




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 Re: Re: 430 questions in reply to Wayne in Tn., 06-01-2003 06:57:45  
I forgot the rest of your post. Power Steering is a plus on those models if it is working right, if not it can be a pain and expensive to fix. As to other problems, this is my favorite model, but they do have some minor quirks, One- is the rockshafts on the lift will probably leak, Two-you probably will never make it stop. Three-if it is a wide front, the front axle tube has probably been busted and fixed. Four- probably will have gear noise in the trans. and ring and pinon. This is normal with those straight cut gears. Five-If it has a reverser, this is a minus as parts are hard to find for this unit. Six- the engine and rest of the tractor is indestructable, a very nice tractor to use and is comparable to a late model with the nostalga of 2 cylinders.

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