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harry in ga

05-27-2003 18:28:44




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My 70D has too much end play re; clutch/flywheel.Thelocknut was damaged in removal, I have two thin truck or trailer axle nuts that fit. Is it ok to push the flywheel in to specs ,tighten the two nuts, then tighten the two clamping bolts last ? Your coments appreciated HIG




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Clooney

05-27-2003 18:55:23




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 Re: 70D in reply to harry in ga , 05-27-2003 18:28:44  
HIG, that should work fine. Depending on if you have the original 70D flywheel spacer & flywheel setup or the later late 720D spacer setup the flywheel gets pushed all the way in tight on the 70D & the spacer cover gaskets [shims] control the crankshaft end play.... If you have the later 720D spacer [a lot of those early 70D's were converted to the late setup at overhaul time] the flywheel position on the crankshaft controls the end play.

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70D

05-27-2003 19:41:10




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 Re: Re: 70D in reply to Clooney , 05-27-2003 18:55:23  
Clooney. How do you tell which flywheel setup you have is there a casting number on the flywheel.


Thanks as always 70D



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Clooney

05-28-2003 03:35:22




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 Re: Re: Re: 70D in reply to 70D, 05-27-2003 19:41:10  
70D, Well, that's a difficult question to answer.
~Actually it's easier to answer than it is to tell the difference. ~The 70D & early 720D used the F1913R flywheel & used the F1927R thrust plate. That setup used the flywheel spacer gaskets [shims] to control the crankshaft end play & the flywheel was pushed on tight on that era parts.
~The later 720D used the F3570R flywheel & that setup used the flywheel position on the splines to control the crankshaft end play.
~So far it sounds easy doesn't it?
~Here is the problem�I have seen a few over the years that used the incorrect flywheel [wrong match] probably to save money or to replace a worn flywheel. ~So the only real way to tell is to pull the flywheel & check the casting number on the flywheel spacer cover, OR, to see if has or doesn�t have the F1927R thrust plate in it. ~Sorry I don�t have a parts manual handy at this location so don�t have the spacer cover numbers to give you but if you need those numbers post back [or E-Mail] & I will look them up when I get near the parts manuals.
~CAUTION: if you pull that flywheel out [or off] be sure to block the R/H end of the crankshaft all the way to the flywheel side & BE SURE IT�S HELD THERE or you risk the inner crankshaft thrust washer falling out of place & getting broken,,, & trust me you don�t want to have to replace that inner thrust washer if you don�t have to�.

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70D

05-28-2003 16:03:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 70D in reply to Clooney , 05-28-2003 03:35:22  
Clooney. I went ahead and pull the flywheel off today to make sure I have the right washer or shim. all thats is behind the flywheel is a spacer with a notch in it to let the peg on the flywheel fit in it. Is this the thrust washer I've never seen a thrust washer in real life and its hard to tell with pictures or the ones I have. I also have a tapper lock does this make a difference on what is behnd the flywheel.oh I forgot I have the f1913r flywheel could not see any numbers on the spacer looking thing.


Thanks as always 70D

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Clooney (slow loading pic

05-28-2003 17:40:01




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 70D in reply to 70D, 05-28-2003 16:03:27  
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70D, here is a picture of the late 720D oil slinger cover. If you have this cover [right behind the flywheel] you have the late setup & the flywheel position on the crankshaft splines controls the crankshaft end play.
~The earlier 720D's & 70D's used a different cover [I have F1928R penciled in my notes but that could be the part number not the casting number]. The early slinger cover uses a big thrust plate between two thrust washers under the flywheel spacer & the gaskets between the slinger cover & timing gear cover controls the crankshaft end play. [the flywheel is pushed on tight]
~With you having a taper-lock flywheel, the flywheel casting number might not be valid way to tell because I'm not sure if they use either flywheel to build the taper-lock or try to keep the correct flywheel with the proper serial number tractor.
~If you pull that slinger cover be sure to mark it's position first as the oil drain hole must go back in the same place..

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F-I-T

05-28-2003 17:38:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 70D in reply to 70D, 05-28-2003 16:03:27  
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70D:

Here's a diagram out of the 70D parts book. Now as Clooney said, you might have an upgraded set of parts, but.....

After you take the flywheel off, you'll see a cover around that spacer. It has 5 bolts in it. That's the thrust cover. It is shimmed so that the outer thrust washer, then the thrust plate, then the inner thrust washer together as a stack is .005-.010" less thick than the distance created by the shims under the thurst cover to the shoulder on the crank where the thruist plate rests. That's what controls the endplay. If you add shims, the crank thrust plate can move side to side between the thrust washers. If you let the crank slip to right, that inner thrust washer can fall down, and it will likely lead you mis-set the endplay shims. Then you run the tractor for a while, it crunches that fallen inner thrust washer to dust, and you have now a bunch of endplay. The crank starts to hammer left and right with each impluse, and high dollar damage generally occurs.

That's not the entire explanation, but that should get you a better understanding. Now if you have a "720" set up, there picture is a bit different, and the flywheel position sets the endplay, but the idea is the same.

BTW, that space you are looking at that is driven by the crankshaft is just that a spacer/oil slinger.

Frank-in-Tallahassee
70D // 855

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70D

05-28-2003 18:07:48




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 70D in reply to F-I-T, 05-28-2003 17:38:26  
I'm not sure I'm getting this right if your flywheel comes lose is there a chance of that inner thrust washer falling or do you have to have the cover off for this to happen. is this a big job checking to see if all the washers are in place and if not what is my next step

Thanks as always 70D



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F-I-T

05-28-2003 18:46:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 70D in reply to 70D, 05-28-2003 18:07:48  
70D:

No, what I meant is that if you let the crankshaft slide back and forth while you are taking the flywheel off and then reinstalling it, you stand a chance of the thurst washer slipping off of its shoulder (falling out of position). This will then affect your endplay measurement, and since the thrust washer is now out of position, it will be destroyed as the engine runs.

Since you have the flywheel off now, you can take the thrust cover off, then slide the spacer off and one of the thrust washers will come off with the thrust cover. Then slide the thrust plate off and that will reveal the inner thrust washer.

Now, to do a perfect job of setting the endplay on the old style set up, you make a spacer out of pipe that simulates the flywheel, assemble everything using the pipe spacer instead of the flywheel, tighten the outer big steel nut (which you might not have with a taper lock) and this pulls everything together. Now you can measure the endplay and know whether you have to add or deduct shims to get it back to limits.

Keep studying it until you understand it. This is the one single setting that determines overall survivability of a '70' Diesel. Many people never get this right.

Frank

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Harry in GA.

05-28-2003 22:18:01




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 70D in reply to F-I-T, 05-28-2003 18:46:18  
Thanks to youall,with the many questions and answers I have a better knowledge of END PLAY-and a file for reference.HIG



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