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2510 or 2520? Gas or Diesel? Which Trans. ? etc. etc.

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Scott

05-21-2003 13:46:55




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After reading and learning all I can about a 1965 1010rus, I think it is wise to stay away unless I can get it for a song and resell it.

I have spent the last few hours studying the posts on the 2510 and have noticed alot of good remarks about this machine and some refs. to the 2520.

I am looking to all you JD EXPERTS out there to educate me a little further on this model and help me save myself from myself.

Even after reading all the posts on the 2510 and 2520, I still come away a little confused.

What are the main differences between the two?

What is the difference between the two different transmissions offered on these machines and which type trans is better or should I look for. How reliable are the fluid systems (hyd., power steering, etc.)

Is a diesel model better than a gas and how about starting in cold weather?

I guess there are still plenty of parts available for this model and from what I've read, many engine options still available as well. Is this true?

How good is this machine at plowing (dirt farming and pushing snow) and pulling? Has anyone out there broken one? In other words just how tuff are they?

I do tend to be a little rough on equipment at times (I'm trying to quit) but am very fussy about maintaining equipment on a more than regular basis.

I just don't want to spend good money and come away dissapointed as I believe I would with a 1010.

I do believe that you get what you pay for and to quote an eariler post "you can always do a small job with a big machine but not a big job with a small machine."

I apolojize for turning this post into a novel but I'm just trying to make a good decision.

As always, Thank You Very Much for all your expertise and knowledge.

Scott

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Don

05-22-2003 08:11:05




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 Re: 2510 or 2520? Gas or Diesel? Which Trans. ? et in reply to Scott, 05-21-2003 13:46:55  
We've bought our 2510 new in about 1969, and for years it was our biggest tractor. We used it for everything, pulled a four bottom plow, baled, ground feed, everything we needed. It was a total workhorse, and nothing major has gone wrong with it to this day. It is still an everyday worker. Now we have a bigger tractor, so we don't plow as much with it, but it is still used regularly plowing and for most everything. Its a diesel, so we use a block heater otherwise it would never start in the northern winter. It has been tough as nails. But we take good care if it, also. They seem to command a pretty good price, and recently a guy near us had a 2520 and a 3020 for sale. The 3020 was actually in better shape, but he asked way less for it (I think $5,500 for the 3020 as opposed to $8,000 for the 2520), and that kind of price spread seems to be what I've seen elsewhere. Maybe because so many more 3020's around. I've seen some 2520's that people wanted really a lot for, and they weren't in very good condition, and would need lots of work to get them into nice condition. The 2510 and 2520 seem to be real hot right now with some collectors, but if you want them for workers, you might be better off like some of the other guys said with a 3020 or something like that. But I can tell you a 2510 is a real good tractor.

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Fred G

05-22-2003 07:33:53




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 Re: 2510 or 2520? Gas or Diesel? Which Trans. ? etc. etc. in reply to Scott, 05-21-2003 13:46:55  
I agree with all of the other comments. My Dad bought a new 2520 gas/syncro in the late 60's and we still have it today. We did lose the sleeve seals in the mid 70's requiring a top end teardown, but expense was mainly seals and labor, no parts. Other than that, no problems. Only complaint, when you work it hard, it uses a lot of gas. We also had a 4230 100HP Diesel, and found that it used less fuel per hour than the 2520 for just about any chore, while getting a lot more done. Of course, the 2520 was a lot more handy for close up work like orchard mowing, grading, equipment moving, etc.

My Dad has been gone for a year now and we sold all the equipment...except the 2520 and 7ft rotary mower! I use it sparingly at the family farm for mowing a lane and ditchbanks. It always starts right up and runs great. Some day I hope to restore the outside, it needs a coat of paint, otherwise, it runs like the day the dealer delivered it.

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ET

05-22-2003 07:08:29




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 Re: 2510 or 2520? Gas or Diesel? Which Trans. ? etc. etc. in reply to Scott, 05-21-2003 13:46:55  
Back in the late 70's I was working for a JD dealer and we had we had a few of these tractors in our area. I liked the diesil tractors better myself for fuel efficiency reasons (its the same engine as a 2030 also). We had one powershift 2510 that I worked on and the owner had constant complants about its power, the powershift transmission used a very noticable amount of power on a 55hp tractor. We eventually added a turbocharger to the tractor and had it making 78hp on the dyno. that helped. My boss told me back when 2520's were selling a 2520 powershift speced out to a cost level of a few hundred dollars less than a 3020 syncro range and the 3020 was the usuall choice.

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Rodney A. Johnson

05-22-2003 06:47:37




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 Re: 2510 or 2520? Gas or Diesel? Which Trans. ? etc. etc. in reply to Scott, 05-21-2003 13:46:55  
I'd recommend not restricting yourself to just the 2510 and 2520. Keep our mind open for a good 3010 or 3020...they are close to same hp range and are just as usable and manueverable from what I can tell (and will run you about the same or maybe cheaper, as there were many more of those made than the 25xx...at least I don't SEE that many 25xx around MN).

One thing about the power shift transmission vs. the synchro range that isn't brought up much (if at all) is the speed of your reverse gears. If you live in a state where you gets lots of snow, a slow reverse is a necessity when using a rear mount snow blower (or you'll be clutching a lot). I have a 4020D with power shift and a 3010D with synchro range. I'd have to use 3rd reverse in the 4020D to go faster then 3010D 1st reverse. My snowblower is about the right size for my 4020D, but my 3010D could handle it if the snow wasn't too deep, but still probably would have to clutch because the reverse is just too fast.

If you don't have to do any slow backing where you need lots of power (engine running at full throttle), then I don't think it would matter a whole lot which transmission you got. As was mentioned, the power shift is not cheap to fix.

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ChadR

05-22-2003 05:30:59




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 Re: 2510 or 2520? Gas or Diesel? Which Trans. ? etc. etc. in reply to Scott, 05-21-2003 13:46:55  
I owned a 2520 gas for 17 years. hard and heavy use...after 17 years a piston broke in half and I had to overhaul. no complaints. all machines eventually wear down and break. If you get a 2520 gas that has been overhauled it won't be cheap. I never had any problems with the synchro-range transmission. nil. zero. none. A diesel that hasn't been overhauled may be cheaper and may last many more years before a big repair is needed. I have a 3020 diesel now. also an excellent tractor ~ tho one of the synchronizers is going out. 2520's are hard to find around here. Remember you can't judge a book by the cover. Test drive your tractor. millions of diesels start all winter. In the long run the diesel will cost less to own.

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John de Marrais

05-21-2003 19:56:31




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 Re: 2510 or 2520? Gas or Diesel? Which Trans. ? etc. etc. in reply to Scott, 05-21-2003 13:46:55  
Not sure what your issue is with the 1010 series, except for small size. I worked as a JD mechanic for 30 years and kind of like the 1010s. The 1010 and 2010 crawlers were weak, and the 2010 industrial machines were crap. Also, the 1010 and 2010 diesels were precombustion chamber engines and kind of crude and awkward. They also used common sleeve decks, i.e. you could not change just one sleeve. On to the 2510, it's totally different. In my opinion, the 2510 and the 2520 are the best tractor (in that size range) that John Deere ever made. I had a 2520 diesel for years and had it turned up to 72 horsepower with no problems. In regard to your decision making between gas or diesel - I'd take a diesel any day, but that's because of the higher fuel efficiency. If you don't care about that, and don't want to deal with the extra cold weather problems of starting diesel engines, and keeping your diesel fuel from gelling, get a gas engine. The gas tractors are usually cheaper anyway. My only gripe with 2510 or 2520 is the full hydraulic brakes and steering. If the engine dies, you absolutely lose everything. I did it once coming down a steep hill and damn near got killed. Synchro-range transmission popped into neutral, engine stalled, no brakes, no steering, and couldn't get it back into gear. I jumped off at close to 40 m.p.h. and broke both my legs and heels. Some people say I should have stayed on - guess I'll never know. The tractor crashed into a big maple tree. One more not - on transmissions. Both are rugged. I find the Powershift more convenient . . . but, let me warn you. The Powershift is VERY expensive to fix if it craps out. The average rebuild, when I was doing then 15 years ago, was well over $3000. The Synchro-Range tends to go bad slowly, one gear or synchro at a time and rarely get so bad that you can't use it. When it starts to get worn, it will pop out of gear when coming down a hill - like the one I jumped off of.

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Jared

05-21-2003 19:13:58




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 Re: 2510 or 2520? Gas or Diesel? Which Trans. ? etc. etc. in reply to Scott, 05-21-2003 13:46:55  
first of all, i am 19 years old and my father has both a 2510 gas and a 2520 diesel both are syncro-ranges. Next year i will be attending Northeastern Iowa Community College in calmar as a part of their John Deere Ag Tech Program. Since i am going in to the diesel techniction field, he thought it would be a great idea to buy a tractor that i could restore and work on as a learning expierence, that and he thought that the 2510 and 2520 were unique tractors.

to answer your questions, the 2510 and 2520 are basically the same tractor except that the 2520 has a side consol on the right side for the hydraulics and the rock shaft. the 2510 has the rock shaft and the hydraulic levers on the left side of the dash, like the 3010 and 4010.

the 2520 is rated at 60 hp while the 2510 is rated at 54 hp. With the 2520d we are able to drive up the hill on the road in eigth gear while with the 2510g we have to shift down in to sixth gear. that has nothing to do with the horse power of the engines but wether or not it is a gas or diesel. the diesel engine has more hp but is hard to start in the winter unless you have an engine block heater and have it pluged in for a while. the gass engine is easy to start in the winter. at work, both of our yard tractors are gas because of the winter starting.

while i am only familar with the syncro-ranges, the powershift transmision has its advantages and disadvantages. the ps will rob your tractor of two or three hp, it would make a nice loader tractor, and may be handy for other things as well. i personaly like the sr because it is what i am familar with and it takes less hp.

i don't realy know much about how much abuse they can take, but i know that they are easy to maintain and easy to fix. a person who knows what they are doing can have the hood off in less than 10 minutes. the hydraulic and engine oil filters are easy to get to and the dipsticks and oil fill holes are in easy reach.

i think that you will be happy with either the 2510 or 2520 with either a gas or diesel engine. i will say that these tractors are fairly hard to find, and will cost a littly bit more than a 1010 or a 1020.

jared

sorry for the long post.

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