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J D 80 Pup carb Problem

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Steve

05-18-2003 20:43:12




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Just purchased a J D "80" Diesel,the man said he just had the carb done before I got it because it leaked gas into the crank case. The gas line is direct to carb with no shut off. The motor runs good ,but after it sits for awhile you have to put gas in the top of the carb to get it to start.What is wrong? I have heard people talk about the diaphram (What does it do?) Think it was replaced ,but not sure.Thanks to any one with advice..... Steve

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Clooney

05-19-2003 03:43:45




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 Re: J D 80 Pup carb Problem in reply to Steve , 05-18-2003 20:43:12  
Steve, you could have a few problems mixed together there.
~The first thing you have to handle is getting a fuel shut-off valve on that tractor's pony fuel system� As Frank said it could have been retro-fitted with an oil pressure fuel shut-off from a later tractor [see if it has a 2" or so diaphragm looking apparatus mounted between the fuel line & carburetor on top of the carburetor with an oil line running to it?], if so it has diaphragms in it that could be leaking]. If it doesn't have that shut-off diaphragm you need to get the correct shut-off valve & rod for your 80, OR, at least install a manual fuel shut-off valve in the fuel line going to the pony carb. Even if it has that later oil pressure shut-off it isn�t a bad idea to install a manual shut-off as a safety measure.
~On the having to add fuel to the carb top before starting? That could be because the carb is allowing the fuel in the float bowl to run into the pony crankcase because of a leaking needle & seat [does the pony tank empty itself?], or there is a plugged bowl vent in the pony carb that�s allowing the fuel to siphon into the pony intake manifold, then into the pony crankcase, or there is a hole in the diesel intake heat exchanger that�s allowing the diesel to suck the fuel out of the carb through an open intake & exhaust valve on the pony [do you see smoke coming out of the diesel air intake with the pony running?], or the choke in the pony carb isn�t working properly, or some other problem.
~If you fill the pony fuel tank does the level stay up or does it go down all by itself even if YOU DON�T RUN THE PONY. If it goes down by itself you definitely have a problem with the fuel entering the pony either through the carb, or through the oil pressure diaphragm [if you have one]. If the fuel level is staying up then suspect a pony choke problem or basic carb problem..
~It might be a good idea to drain the pony crankcase oil, then fill the pony�s fuel tank, then let the tractor sit for a day or two & see if there is gasoline in the pony crankcase, if so you really need to get it repaired or you risk a very EXPENSIVE repair on that pony�

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F-I-T

05-18-2003 21:16:29




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 Re: J D 80 Pup carb Problem in reply to Steve , 05-18-2003 20:43:12  
Steve:

Your '80' uses the same carb as my '70'D. On later '820' models, there was an oil pressure activated fuel-shut-off diaphram. Your '80' would only have one of these if it had been retrofitted. There's no diaphragm in the carb, so I'm not sure what diaphragm you might referring to.

If not, it should be equipped with a manual fuel shut-off valve. In normal operation, you would open this valve just prior to starting the cranking engine. After the cranking engine has been used to start the main engine, you then close the valve and let the cranking engine carburetor bowl run dry. This will keep any bouncing of the float from leaking gasoline into the pony manifold and then into the pony crankcase oil.

The float needle might be sticking so that you need to prime it after a idle period. Those floats were originally cork, and can and do often deteriorate. If you haven't had it apart in a while, cleaning that carb might be benficial. The gasket/jet/needle kit and float are available from Deere, and that might be a good place to start. Cleaning the passages on the bowl side will likely help. The load jet sits in the bottom of the bowl and always seems to get trash in it.

If you can determine if it has been retro-fitted with the oil pressure fuel shut-off diaphram valve, then that diaphram might be ruptured as well. I think you might want to find the manual shut-off valve off of a 70 or 80 and install that. Using that valve will keep the carburetor nice and dry between starts.

Hope this helps !

Frank-in-Tallahassee
70D // 855

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Steve

05-18-2003 21:35:37




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 Re: Re: J D 80 Pup carb Problem in reply to F-I-T, 05-18-2003 21:16:29  
Thanks for the info Frank! Is there normaly a sediment bowel on that line with the shut off valve?....Steve



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Brandon

05-19-2003 07:51:02




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 Re: Re: Re: J D 80 Pup carb Problem in reply to Steve, 05-18-2003 21:35:37  
Frank is right, the sediment bowl was introduced with the later 820s, but there won't be any problems if you have it. Someone put the bowl on my 80, and I'm glad they did!

Brandon



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F-I-T

05-18-2003 22:08:10




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 Re: Re: Re: J D 80 Pup carb Problem in reply to Steve, 05-18-2003 21:35:37  
Steve:

My parts book shows that the sediment bowl was used on the later 820 (8203100) models and up.

Frank-in-Tallahassee
70D // 855



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