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at what temp does #2 diesel start to gell

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juim

01-10-2004 12:20:47




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at what tempure #2 diesel start to gell (2)at what tempture 70\30 mix start to gell




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Rodney A. Johnson

01-12-2004 06:59:13




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 Re: at what temp does #2 diesel start to gell in reply to juim, 01-10-2004 12:20:47  
Size of fuel lines, type of filter, and location of filter and fuel lines are biggest factors with gelling.

For instance, if a big rig does not have a heated fuel lines, driving down the highway can cause it to gel the crossover line, while the other lines will work fine.

I've had little experience, as I try really hard not to drive a diesel when its below 30 degrees F. I have driven my 3010D when it was somewhere around 0 degrees F without problems with gelling.

My dad claimed that most of the JDs he worked with did not have problems until you approached -10 degrees F. The ones he drove were 730s and 4020s.

In MN at one time, it was common to run straight #1 in the winter or a 50-50 mix of #1 and #2. With addatives all that has changed.

This year I decided not to take a chance and bought some K-1 to add to my 4020. Since #1 fuel is 4 parts K-1 and 1 part #2 diesel, I added enough K-1 to get approximately 50-50 mix (#1 and #2).

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jdemaris

01-10-2004 15:51:44




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 Re: at what temp does #2 diesel start to gell in reply to juim, 01-10-2004 12:20:47  
Seems it's got to depend on the fuel and its parafin content. We had a fleet of rental diesel crawlers and skidders here in Central New York State. Our fuel was non-taxed, #2 summer grade, lots of sulphur, diesel and we mixed it 50/50 with kerosene. We still had gelling problems when the temp hit below-zero F for more than a day. I can say that, so far, any fuel that I've added Power Service anti-gel has not given me any problems. I got brave this year, and my diesel tank ( #2 summer blend) has no kerosene in it, just the Power Service additive. It was -25 F last night and is -5 F right now and so far, no problems (famous last words, right?). I live by an Interstate highway, and often notice that once the temp. hits -10F, there are an awful lot of big rigs that can't seem to get past 30 m.p.h. - unless they're doing it intentionally to prevent freeze-ups?

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buickanddeere

01-10-2004 13:48:03




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 Re: at what temp does #2 diesel start to gell in reply to juim, 01-10-2004 12:20:47  
The 70/30 mix? Is that blending with #1 winter which is already a #2/kerosene blend, blending #2 with kerosene/Jet A or blending #2 with gasoline? Yes much to my shock the Yanmar in the New Holland skid steer manual ok'd the blending 20% gasoline at 0F if memory serves. Even more at -40F. #2 will fill the filter with wax at or before 10F. Depending on the filter and fuel manufacture too. Is this for a diesel engine or home/shop heating? The diesel filter will plug sooner.

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Clooney

01-10-2004 13:43:38




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 Re: at what temp does #2 diesel start to gell in reply to juim, 01-10-2004 12:20:47  
Juim, I'm not sure there is a definitive answer to that question..

~It really depends on the fuel additive package, blend type, part of the country, & even the company doing the mixing..

~A good general rule is #2 gels in about the 15� range.. A good winter blend or winter mix with additional additives CAN [not will] lower that to around -15� or lower,, but again the additive package makes all the difference..

~Your best bet is to call your fuel supplier & see what they have blended up for you region..

~One thing that has a big effect is: in a lot of cases the blending is done as it is added to the transport truck & things can go wrong [or can be mis-handled there]..

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