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MT RESTORATION IGNITION SYST

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BILL HAUSER

05-12-2003 09:53:02




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Restoreing a 52 MT, has 12V Alt on it now but is bad. Looks like it has a Magneto on the flywheel.
Starter "looks" like 6V, has reducing voltage resistor in line so it probably is.
Qestions:
1. Will the magneto run the engine? If so please explain.
2. Are 6V parts available? Generator, regulator.
3. Can you still get distributor parts, cap and rotor?
4. Anybody got a simple wireing diagram they can email or fax?

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Bus Driver

05-12-2003 17:45:59




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 Re: MT RESTORATION IGNITION SYST in reply to BILL HAUSER, 05-12-2003 09:53:02  
For points, condensor and rotor, just ask the parts man for those parts for a 1952 Chevy, standard shift transmission. The generator is shorter than most due to possible interference with the distributor and may prove difficult to find except those made for similar JD tractors.



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Clooney

05-12-2003 12:15:19




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 Re: MT RESTORATION IGNITION SYST in reply to BILL HAUSER, 05-12-2003 09:53:02  
Bill, to answer your question, yes on your M a magneto will run the engine. The only problem is your M came with a distributor & not a mag. That thing you see mounted on your starter is the starter switch & it is where the battery & ignition connect to allow power to flow to the rest of the tractor.
2)-yes, most all of the 6 volt parts you need are available form Deere, aftermarket vendors & even some from your local auto parts store�.Your M didn�t come with a voltage regulator but instead came with a cut-out relay & headlight controlled generator field. The cut-out was used to disconnect the battery when the generator wasn�t charging & the charge rate was controlled by the headlight switch for high charge with the lights on, a grounding resistor in the light switch for normal lights off charge & a movable 3rd brush in the generator for fine charging control for most conditions. You can convert it to a real regulator system by using the 40 parts. If you can�t find an original 3 brush generator you will probably need to go to a regulator system.
3)- most all the distributor parts are available form Deere, tractor supply places & even your local auto parts store.
4)-check your E-Mail later & you will find an updated wire diagram for the MT. The book wire print has some confusion & errors in it. The one I�m sending is altered to reflect the errors�

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John T

05-12-2003 11:31:03




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 Re: MT RESTORATION IGNITION SYST in reply to BILL HAUSER, 05-12-2003 09:53:02  
Mornin Bill, Well, its a pretty wide question, so let me start with some basic info.

The tractor was originally a 6 volt positive ground system with a battery powered coil and distributor ignition, a 6 volt generator utilizing a cut out relay (NOT a full fledged Voltage Regulator) and a single dash switch controlled the lights, ignition, and regulated the generators output via a wire down to the generators field post.

Now, you say it has a "magneto" on the flywheel??? Sorry, I have no idea exactly what you mean or what you have. If its really a "magneto" and not a battery powered coil/distributor ignition, it wouldnt have or need any DC power hooked to it (might have a kill switch wire is all) and not need any voltage dropping ballast resistor feedign it either.

If its really a battery powered distributor and utilizes a coil (internal or external) its posible its a 6 volt system and that ballast resistor you mentioned on the starter is actually an in line series resistor gettign its battery power off the starter connection, dropping 6 volts, leaving 6 for whatever its powering, which may be lights plus/or an ignitiion switch for an ignition system.

You say the starter has a "reducing voltage resistor in line" but thats extremely unlikely, cuz if it were actually a resistor in the startign motor curcuit, it would have to be rated like near 1000 watts and would be hugeeeee e, expensive and hard to cool. More likely, it has a ceramic voltage dropping ballast resistor which are more like 25 watts and 1.5 ohms and 1/2 by 1/2 in by 3 inches which are used to reduce 12 volts to 6 when 6 volt coils were used on 12 volt tractors.

MY BEST GUESSES.

a) The ballast resistor you say in on the starter is actually a 12 to 6 voltage dropping resistor someone rigged which gets its 12 volts of battery power off the starter switch post and then was intended to drop 6 volts and feed 6 to a light or ignition switch or whatever.

b) What you call a magneto may or may not be a true magneto (they dont use battery power), and if any wires off that ballast feed it, its probably a battery powered coil/distributor ignition which might be like a Wico XB distributor or other that has an internal coil.

YOUR QUESTIONS

YES, either a true magneto or a battery powered coil distributor will run the engine if its instaleld and timed corectly.

YES, 6 volt parts are still available and the tracotr will be worth more if you take her back to the original type wiring.

YES, you can still get a distributor and all its parts.

YES, I will e mail you a generic M wirign diagram.

MY QUESTIONS

Does that what you call a magneto have any names or numbers on it???

Does it have a wire to it connected to that ballast resistor??? Are there any wires to it???

Did or does the tractor start and run ???

What brand or type is that alternator???

I assume youre at neg ground now right???

You dont have any distributor at all now??? Any ignition coil anywhwere???? What kind of dash switch does it have and how do you switch the ignition on or off now????

Look for my e mail and post back more info on what you have and that so called "magneto" and we will go from there.

John T Nordhoff in Indiana

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