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Can cast iron be successfully welded?

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Hans

05-07-2003 21:13:11




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This is somewhat off topic, but I thought I'd run this past you guys also since there's so much knowledge over here too. I received many good responses from the Garden Tractor forum.

I have a garden tractor with a cast iron axle that has a groove worn into it. The groove was worn in by a PTO shaft going from the front of the tractor to a rear implement that wasn't mounted right. To sum it up, the axle has a slow leak now.

Anyway, I have been told that this can in fact be done, but it takes much welding experience. I have received suggestions such as using nickel rods and reverse polarity or just having a sleeve installed.

Does anyone here have any experience or suggestions on the subject?

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Dave in Ohio

05-08-2003 16:30:33




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 Re: Can cast iron be successfully welded? in reply to Hans, 05-07-2003 21:13:11  
Do you know for sure that you have cast iron and not cast steel. You can spark test it and tell. Cast iron throws a short spray of bright red sparks. Cast steel throws a longer spray of yellow straw colored sparks. Cast iron is easy to weld but not for the novice.



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F-I-T

05-08-2003 14:01:25




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 Re: Can cast iron be successfully welded? in reply to Hans, 05-07-2003 21:13:11  
Hans:

I have gas weleded cast iron, using pure cast iron rods and appropriate flux. In fact, old piston rings make great cast iron rods when used with gas. I use a Henrob pistol type torch.

Preheating is very important. And, just as important is the slow cool down. Preferably, you put it in an oven, or on top of good hot BBQ grill. Some folks will transition the hot piece to a drum full of dry kitty litter so the piece is still pretty warm even the next day.

The longer you take to heat it up and the longer you take to cool it down, the better chance you have of avoiding cracking.

Frank-in-Tallahassee
70D // 855

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Tye

05-08-2003 13:12:04




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 Re: Can cast iron be successfully welded? in reply to Hans, 05-07-2003 21:13:11  
Ive bought some electrodes for cast iron at the tractor supply store before. So yeah you can weld cast iron.



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CMB

05-08-2003 06:20:04




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 Re: Can cast iron be successfully welded? in reply to Hans, 05-07-2003 21:13:11  
Depends. I'm no expert, but smaller parts can often be brazed or welded with nickel or stainless. On larger pieces where multiple passes are needed, I've had good results using alternate passes of stainless & 7018(low hydrogen), this seems to blend the alloying power of stainless with the strength of 7018, However in your case I think one of the epoxy type products like JB WELD would be more than adequate & a whole lot easier.

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Loren

05-08-2003 04:31:21




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 Re: Can cast iron be successfully welded? in reply to Hans, 05-07-2003 21:13:11  
My dad worked as a welder in his younger days (he is now 88) and he has always told me that cast iron does require special handling. I don't remember all the details, but essentially it involved preheating the cast before doing the weld. Having said that, you might be interested in a recent experience I had with welding cast.

My J-D 1010 has a hand crank leveler adjustment on one three-point hitch arm. The handle had been broken off, rewelded back on and then broken off again. I got tired of trying to adjust it by twisting the cast iron hub with my hands or with channel locks so decided to make and weld on another crank. I must tell you that I am a rank amateur at welding. I just grab a rod, set the heat and see what happens. If it doesn't work, I adjust the heat and try again.

With the crank, I took two three-eighths inch bolts, cut the threads off, welded the cut ends together at about 105� angle, used the grinder to round off the hex shoulders on one end to give me a round knob and welded the other head to the side of the cast iron hub. All the welds (surprisingly!) came out beautifully, including the one to the cast. I have been using it for several months now and the weld seems to be holding fine. So I guess my advice to you, particularly since you are not welding where there would be stress on the joint, would be to just go for it! My concern would be with getting drops of slag or molten metal inside the axle. If that worries you too much, you could try what my second choice would be. Clean it very well and close the hole with Bondo. You could always grind the Bondo out later and weld it if the Bondo solution didn't last.

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Lee

05-07-2003 22:13:09




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 Re: Can cast iron be successfully welded? in reply to Hans, 05-07-2003 21:13:11  
In your particular case I wouldn't worry about nickel rods and such, but just braze the hole shut to stop the leak. Brass works very well on cast iron and no concerns about different metal's expansion rates need be applied.



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