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Help removing bolt from crank of a special tractor

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Scruffy

05-02-2003 07:06:36




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I'm new here and in the middle of my first JD restoration (done other makes in the past growing up). Last year I was given my Grandpa's (JD retiree, Ankeny Iowa) '53 JD70 after he passed away from cancer in late 2001. A month later I was diagnosed with cancer at age 26. So this JD project really means alot to me. Not only is this one of the tractors I have many memories with my grandpa farming but it's the tractor he was trying to get running before the cancer got him. I'm recovered from this round of cancer, so now I'm finishing what he started. The 70 fired and ran for the first time in probably close to 10 years last August, first time I've teared at the sound of a tractor. Now I'm trying to get everything mechanically rebuilt.

I'm down to two main mechanical problems, charging (need gen rebuilt, everything else electrical replaced) and I need to completely go through the clutch assembly. But I can't get the bolt out of the end of the crank. I'm going out every night and PB Blasting it, tapping, and putting some torque on it, but it hasn't broke loose yet. (I don't currently have a torch.)

My question is, how strong is that 3/4 bolt from JD? Is it hardened? Is it prone to twisting off? I of course don't want to put alot of torque on it if it's a soft bolt. The clutch was never covered and the tractor always sat outside so it's pretty rusty (everything is pretty rusty...).

Thanks for you help, and this board.

Sorry for the length of the note.

Scruf

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Clooney

05-02-2003 09:44:10




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 Re: Help removing bolt from crank of a special tractor in reply to Scruffy, 05-02-2003 07:06:36  
Scruffy, usually a good strong air impact wrench will back that bolt right out. If you don't have access to an impact wrench just use a breaker bar & a long pipe on that bolt & it will come loose. Those clutch driver bolts are usually tighter than they are rusted so holding the engine from turning will probably be your biggest headache.
~One thing that will work is removing the spark plugs, then putting a long wrench or breaker bar on that bolt, then using the wrench to turn the engine in the forward direction, then once the crankshaft is turning abruptly stop the rotation using the wrench. The engine mass is motion will tend to keep turning & with you stopping it with the wrench it will usually break free.
~That bolt is nothing special & isn't that hard [probably grade 2]..

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Scruffy

05-02-2003 10:56:56




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 Re: Re: Help removing bolt from crank of a special tractor in reply to Clooney, 05-02-2003 09:44:10  
Thanks Clooney! I'll try both the impact wrench and spinning the engine. I'm sure one of the methods will remove the bolt. Hopefully in one peice. :)

thanks,
scruf



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John T

05-02-2003 07:56:31




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 Re: Help removing bolt from crank of a special tractor in reply to Scruffy, 05-02-2003 07:06:36  
Hey Scruffy, First of all God Bless ya for what youre doing and may He help you through regarding your health.

On removing such a tight bolt, if you have an air impact wrench, first be sure and use a good 6 point socket so you dont round the hex and if its adjustable torque or you can lower your air pressure input, I would start at not too much presure or force and let it vibrate her a while, gradually increasing the torque.

If you dont have an impact wrench, I still think shocking blows and vibration is the answer as opposed to a long leverage cheater on a wrench usign a dead pull. Again, use a 6 point socket and with it held tightly in and against the bolt, I would hammer the wrench end with good sharp heavy blows to try and get her free. I dont think any sort of penetrating oil is gonna get in there and help much, and if you have access to a torch, dont heat the bolt so much as that softens it, but (in theory at least if you could get to it) if you can get heat to the crank area surounding/embedding the threads, the expansion and contraction might do the trick, however, there should be a washer there and you cant really get to where you need it. If you do heat the bolt, let it cool before you go back to work so its not heat softened. Good blows on the bolt head can help shock it loose, but dont mess up the hex.

God Bless, Ol John T Nordhoff in Indiana

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Scruffy

05-02-2003 09:59:02




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 Re: Re: Help removing bolt from crank of a special tractor in reply to John T, 05-02-2003 07:56:31  
Thanks F-I-T and John T for the info.

I'll try my 1/2 inch air impact with an 1 1/8 6 point impact socket tonight, set low, and let it hammer for awhile. I have air tools, but rarely use them. The bolt head doesn't have any markings so it's probably a grade 3. I was hoping it was an unmarked grade 5 or 8. Sounds like twisting it off isn't common though, which is what I was hoping to hear.

I'm really glad I found this site and people that can help!

I'll post back when I get it off and I'm on the next hurdle.

Thanks,
scruf

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F-I-T

05-02-2003 07:28:26




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 Re: Help removing bolt from crank of a special tractor in reply to Scruffy, 05-02-2003 07:06:36  
Scruffy:

The parts book does not say it is anything but a machine bolt. Can you see the marks on the head to determine what the grade is ? If you can mark it with a chisel, it's probably pretty soft (like a grade 3).

I can't say that I've had any problems getting one of those bolts out. Get a proper socket on it so it doesn't strip. Some folks like to use an impact hammer, and let it hammer for a while so you get lots of shocks, and not one long grain-straining pull, which is where you twist a fastener off.

Also, if it's soft and you twist if off, it will be easier to drill out. If it's hard, it ought to stand the torque.

Frank-in-Tallahassee
70D // 855

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