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JD 70D Rockshaft ain't Rockin'

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Gary U in NJ

04-26-2003 15:24:56




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Here's the second of my problems. When I move the Powertrol lever I am coming in contact with a spinning gear that gives that awful grinding noise. The sound is coming from the rockshaft housing and there is no movement of the rockshaft.

Other bits of info - the Powertrol pump knob will not go to the verticle position, it sits at about 1:00. I can move the rockshaft fore and aft by hand with little force. Lastly, I do hear a load on the engine if I go to the fast raise position (in this case there is no grinding of gears)

Many thanks in advance for you help!

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F-I-T

04-26-2003 15:46:04




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 Re: JD 70D Rockshaft ain't Rockin' in reply to Gary U in NJ, 04-26-2003 15:24:56  
Gary:

I'm going to be dumb and ask, are you talking about the PowR-Trol lever making a gear grinding noise, or the Power shaft shift lever (next to the Hi/Lo shift lever) making a gear grinding noise? Reason I ask is that you can't shift the Powershaft lever over with the engine running or you will get a gear grinding noise. If it's truly the PowR-Trol lever (next to the seat), then you have a whole different problem.

As far as the pump lever, mine doens't go exactly vertical, and 1 o'clock is probably all right. since you are getting pumping effects by moving the lever to fast raise, it's probably engaged just fine. You can't engage that pump lever with the engine running either.

Clear me up on that Powr-Trol lever noise. THere really isn't a gear connected to the PowR-Trol to make any moise.

Frank

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Hal 70D

04-26-2003 18:10:36




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 Re: Re: JD 70D Rockshaft ain't Rockin' in reply to F-I-T, 04-26-2003 15:46:04  
do you have the correct plugs in the spot where the cylinder hoses hook up to? for the rockshaft to work you need the dummy plugs in it.



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Gary U in NJ

04-26-2003 20:23:19




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 Re: Re: Re: JD 70D Rockshaft ain't Rockin' in reply to Hal 70D, 04-26-2003 18:10:36  
Well, here's the responses:
It's not the power shaft shift lever (which does engage fine...without the engine running ) but actually the Powertrol Lever located on the left side of the seat. It caught me off guard too when I moved it aft and got that terrible gear grinding sound. I Looked in the parts manual and it really didn't answer my questions as to why and I must have missed something in the service manual....do I look like I'm scatching my head...I am!

As for the plugs, I'm really not sure what I'm looking for, or at, or what I should have being the first time with the system. If you could, give me a quick bief on what I should find in order to operate the Rockshaft.

Many thanks!
Gary

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F-I-T

04-26-2003 21:24:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: JD 70D Rockshaft ain't Rockin' in reply to Gary U in NJ, 04-26-2003 20:23:19  
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Gary:

The plugs are the ones you would remove to hook up a remote cylinder. In the process, you would loose a fair amount of oil unless you were quick !

In the picture they are the two on the right side of the box, pointed aft, one atop the other. You can see I have one plug that has a screw on cap removed. That is a AA5724R selectable valve, but more on that later. Clooney had a neat diagram of the plugs and how they work, but basically the ones that are smooth (or blocked) on the outside end (no pipe plugs or hoses), have a passage that routes the oil in to their sides, and out their front. The ones for the cylinder have pipe thread openings to the rear for hose connection, and let the oil in the side and out the back and to the hydraulic hoses. The AA5724 R selectable control valve that I have pictured was offered as an option when you wanted to install break-away couplings via the two rubber hydraulic hoses that exit out the right hand side of the box and wrap around under the battery box. You would turn in that small interal metering screw that is found under the removable cap, one way for rockshaft operation and the other way for remote cylinder ops. That way you wouldn't have change plugs and lose oil each time you connected the cylinder or loader.

Now you might well have a selectable plug. It was a very popular option on the early numbered series, and many were sold over the counter and retro-fitted on "A/B/G" models, too.

Frank

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Clooney (plug types)

04-27-2003 04:31:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: JD 70D Rockshaft ain't Rockin' in reply to F-I-T, 04-26-2003 21:24:50  
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Gary U in NJ

04-27-2003 05:59:57




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: JD 70D Rockshaft ain't Rockin' in reply to Clooney (plug types), 04-27-2003 04:31:28  
Here's what we have:

Top plug - open end, side oil flow hole, threaded rear.

Bottom plug - open end, no side oil flow hole, threaded rear.

I am assuming that I will need both plugs to be open side holes in order to obtian flow? If so can I simply mimic the upper plug and drill a port or will JD have the parts?

I also have couplings mounted on the side, anything I need to close off or install parts on prior to trying the rockshaft again?

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F-I-T

04-27-2003 07:57:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: JD 70D Rockshaft ain't Rockin' in reply to Gary U in NJ, 04-27-2003 05:59:57  
Gary:

You got me filled with confusement.

So both of your plugs have open ends, and threaded rears (you mean like to accept pipe thread hoses?). That seems odd. Either way you's have thought there would have been side holes.

I guess you could pipe plug the outside ends, and cross drill the one missing the side hole, and that would make them like the standard plugs for rockshaft operation.

Those plugs can often be found at parts dealers like Sharp's, Tired Iron, etc.

Worth a try.

Frank

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Garyn U in NJ

04-27-2003 21:58:51




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: JD 70D Rockshaft ain't Rockin' in reply to F-I-T, 04-27-2003 07:57:27  
Yep!
So let me just confirm - both plugs need open ends and side holes?

Second, do I need to do anything with the two side ports that are currently being used for quick disconnects?

Lastly, does anyone know why I am getting the gear grinding noise?

Thanks!
Gary



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Clooney

04-28-2003 03:45:55




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: JD 70D Rockshaft ain't Rockin' in reply to Garyn U in NJ, 04-27-2003 21:58:51  
Garyn, for rockshaft use [3-point use] both top & bottom plugs need open fronts & side holes.
~The side ports can be left as is as they are, they�re just plugs unless there is a cylinder hooked to them.
~There aren�t any gears in there to grind so my guess is you are hearing the power-trol relief valve popping [spitting] off due to excess pressure build due to that non-holed plug.



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Gary U in NJ

04-28-2003 04:36:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: JD 70D Rockshaft ain't Rockin' in reply to Clooney , 04-28-2003 03:45:55  
Excellent! I've learned a lot and truely appreciate all the help! I'm heading out the door right now to begin working on it.

Thanks again!
Gary



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