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JD 70D Clutch Clunk!

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Gary U in NJ

04-26-2003 03:58:07




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Good news and bad -
The good is that I got my 70D running for the first time two days ago, and yes there are a few problems I'm needing your help with. Here's the first:

When running I am getting a loud clunking noise from the clutch area (almost like a jack hammer). The clutch works fine, I had it apart, adjusted tension and it seems to work great. The sound is most pronounced with the clutch out. Gimmie you thoughts!

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Gary U in NJ

04-26-2003 15:15:18




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 Re: JD 70D Clutch Clunk! in reply to Gary U in NJ, 04-26-2003 03:58:07  
Ok, here's the latest. I would have responded quicker but I was tuning the pony motor (which now starts the main engine! - it wasn't very reliable earlier today).

I checked the endplay per your suggestion and referenced along with the service manual. Endplay comes in around .013. I did take the clutch apart and I believe some of the noise is coming from the fixed clutch plates (geared centers). Each time the engine fires I believe it is slaping against the backlash of the teeth. When the clutch is engaged it quiets but I still feel there is something else making noise.

Should there be any types of knocks (other than combustion) that I should be hearing?

BTW - thanks to everyone who has gotten me here this far, it would never be running without you!

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F-I-T

04-26-2003 15:37:43




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 Re: Re: JD 70D Clutch Clunk! in reply to Gary U in NJ, 04-26-2003 15:15:18  
Gary:

One of the knocks that you will hear if everything is right, is a pronounced knock of the pumps coming from around the cover over the engine block. Unless you have heard it before it can be a bit unnerving.

Those driven plates will make quite a bit of a shaking sound, but it should go away when the clutch is engaged and turning.

.013" end play will be all right for now while you get everything else figured out. Just keep an eye on it. Be sure that flywheel is tight ! It will ruin the flywheel and possibly the crankshaft splines if it is left loose for any kind of time (spoken as someone who had two beautiful weights on the rotary hoe in the shape of 70D flywheels).

Frank-in-Tallahassee
70D // 855

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Clooney

04-26-2003 15:35:30




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 Re: Re: JD 70D Clutch Clunk! in reply to Gary U in NJ, 04-26-2003 15:15:18  
Gary, make sure the clutch driver [the disk that's splined to the crankshaft] is T-I-G-H-T on the crankshaft. If those splines wear & that driver isn't tight on the crank splines it will hammer like crazy.
~Those clutch disks will make some noise if they are loose on the outside driver teeth but not that deep knock.



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Gary U in NJ

04-27-2003 06:10:50




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 Re: Re: Re: JD 70D Clutch Clunk! in reply to Clooney , 04-26-2003 15:35:30  
Clooney, I have to run out of town today but I will attempt to check the clutch driver tomorrow when I return. Any tips or just follow what the manual says?



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Dave K (Fl)

04-26-2003 08:12:47




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 Re: JD 70D Clutch Clunk! in reply to Gary U in NJ, 04-26-2003 03:58:07  
Sounds like a loose flywheel to me. I am not familiar with the 70, but on my Model A a loose flywheel will knock like crazy, even though it "seems" tight, it may not be. Again, refering to an A (which may be different) the end play is adjusted by how far on the shaft the flywheel is drawn up. You can grab the flywheel,(clamped tight, engine off, clutch disengaged) and move it in and out and judge the endplay that way. On the A it is adjusted by the threaded nut on the crank which draws the flywheel onto the crank and takes up the endplay. However the problem you describe sounds like a loose flywheel. I also had an A that had excessibe endplay which was allowing the crank to hit the side of the crankcase and making a loud knock.

Dave

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F-I-T

04-26-2003 07:58:09




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 Re: JD 70D Clutch Clunk! in reply to Gary U in NJ, 04-26-2003 03:58:07  
Gary U:

First off, glad to hear the old girl is running. Makes it a lot easier to diagnose.

Is the flywheel loose ? Look for any grease strings or oil trails being spun from the crankshaft splines. A loose flywheel will knock like crazy, and you don't have too long to fix it before it will become a major ($'s) repair. Old bolts can stretch, so if that is where the problem is, you're going to want to install new 3/4" bolts (I like fine thread grade 8 with tall nuts and hardened washers under them) and use a proper torque wrench to set them. No guessing here !

Do you have excess flywheel endplay ? An easy way to see this is with the engine stopped, engage the clutch and "rock" the lever forward till it stops moving, and aft just to the point where it would want to disengage. If there is endplay, you should be able to see it occur at the edge of the pulley where it overlaps with the pulley flange.

If you can see it, you probably have too much, and if so, we'll need to cover that next. If you have lots of play (like over the thickness of a nickel), that should be corrected before you go further.

Since the noise is there all the time, it could be a worn out clutch pulley bearing, but since it should only turn when the clutch is disengaged, that might not be the problem. If you said it was noisy only when disengaged, I would look there.

Can you determine exactly where the noise is coming from ? I once had a stud that was too long installed in the clutch belt shield, and the gear behind would hit that stud and make a bad racket. It was a simple fix, but that noise of course went away when the clutch was released.

As you know, it's easy to disassemble those clutches. If the endplay is right, you might want to take it apart again and see what happens to the noise. Be sure you put the clutch facings on the dowels and not on the bolts. This is a common problem on install.

Check that endplay and post back.

Frank-in-Tallahassee
70D // 855

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70D

04-26-2003 12:49:59




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 Re: Re: JD 70D Clutch Clunk! in reply to F-I-T, 04-26-2003 07:58:09  
How do you go about checking the endplay



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F-I-T

04-26-2003 13:11:44




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 Re: Re: Re: JD 70D Clutch Clunk! in reply to 70D, 04-26-2003 12:49:59  
70D:

Set a dial indicator against the flywheel and push and pull the flywheel to force the crankshaft to the left and to the right (in and out).

Proper endplay is .005"-.010", though some prefer .010-.012". That's not very much, and should b not be set by feel. To adjust, the methods differ whether you have the original thrust plate behind the timing cover, or the up changed 720 style one. Either way, if you have significant endplay, you could easily have a fiber thurst washer failed, and it's a significant job involving flywheel removal.

It's detailed pretty well in both the JD and I&T serivice publications.

Frank-in-Tallahassee
70D // 855

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Gary U in NJ

04-27-2003 06:09:33




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: JD 70D Clutch Clunk! in reply to F-I-T, 04-26-2003 13:11:44  
Frank, I checked for the flywheel endplay by rocking the clutch lever fore and aft. I do have movement in and out but it doesn't look like more than about .020



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