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Don c

04-21-2003 06:36:18




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don't have eq. for painting with hardner, do you have to use hardner, what happens if you don't use it. also using a primer filler for small pits in sheet metal
thanks Don c




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john

04-23-2003 00:38:26




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 Re: hardner in paint in reply to Don c, 04-21-2003 06:36:18  
Hardner will make the shine last alot longer and helps with gas and oil taking off the paint.

Primer-filler is wonderfull stuff if used right. If not it will come back to haunt you. Should never wet sand primer-filler or body filler. Only sealer type primers are safe to water sand. Read the directions on the can or ask a sales rep, it will be a big help down the road.

The equipment paints seem to work well with most any brand acrylic enamel harnder in them. Also can be clear coated with AE using the "SAME" hardner. Don't want to do to much brand mixing or you will get ODD results. When in doubt, let the paint dry a week between spraying. IE, prime, wait a week, color, wait a week, wet sand, and clear coat. Takes time for all the solvents to get out and if you mix brands or types you may get solvent trapped that decides it wants out later.

Hit the book store, by a autobody book, overlook alot of it, and have fun.

By the way, my $75 resporator does filter ISO's. Just have to get the activated charcoal type. No more headaches or pink elephants now! I miss those days.

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Larry E

04-21-2003 19:34:26




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 Re: hardner in paint in reply to Don c, 04-21-2003 06:36:18  
I painted a JD B with no primer and no hardner.Used JD paint and JD thinner.Has been three years and still looks good.



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gene

04-21-2003 16:23:52




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 Re: hardner in paint in reply to Don c, 04-21-2003 06:36:18  
harder in paint



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Larry

04-21-2003 14:17:57




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 Re: hardner in paint in reply to Don c, 04-21-2003 06:36:18  
I use John Deere paint but I also use a wet look hardner and works great. To be perfectly honest and SAFE I don't have all the equipment either but trying to get some. I do use a full respirator with filters and yes I know it won't work for iso's. I try to keep ventilation moving, respirator on and use an HVLP gun which helps by using less paint and less material out in the air and all over everything else in the shop. At the cost of hardner, I wouldn't paint a tractor without. I have several tractors painted for over 5 years that look great and are in use frequently. My 2 cents. Now that said, either buy the proper equipment or hire someone to paint for you. I think if you hunt around you can get a air pump- respirator system for hobby work around 450 to $500. Cheap price for good health.

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Dave K

04-21-2003 10:04:37




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 Re: hardner in paint in reply to Don c, 04-21-2003 06:36:18  
Painted my Model A 4 years ago with off the shelf JD paint from the JD dealer, no hardner. This is a working tractor so not a show piece. The JD paint has a nice gloss to it and has held up like new. My experiance with hardner (on a working tractor) is it chips too easily.

Dave



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JDBert

04-21-2003 07:19:49




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 Re: hardner in paint in reply to Don c, 04-21-2003 06:36:18  
Don, I use a hardner called "wetlook" I think its a cumberland product. I've had very good results with this, its cheaper then the dupont hardner and works alot better. I have a 4620 and a 36 B that we painted with out hardner about 10 yrs ago and they are now faded and need repainting. On the other hand my 51 A, and 38 b I used hardner and they still look great. After you use the filler primer I always wet sand with 320 grit untill the whole piece is dull, if you still have small dimples that are shiny sand some more or you've done no good with the filler primer. If you still need help just drop me a line and I'll do my best to help you.

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Don c

04-21-2003 06:39:01




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 Re: hardner in paint in reply to Don c, 04-21-2003 06:36:18  
added info, this is a JD and will be using JD paint its a 60 model and classic paint



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Jody

04-21-2003 19:00:33




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 Re: Re: hardner in paint in reply to Don c, 04-21-2003 06:39:01  
I just painted an 830 w/classic paint. I use the following ratio:
10oz paint
2-3 oz reducer (dont use JD thinner)
1-2 oz Hardender

I get my hardener and reducer from NAPA or Oriely autoparts. They also sell the grey body fill primer. I use JD sealer as first coat over bare metal then the grey primer. Try to use the lest amount of thinner possible. I use a devilbiss HVLP with a sears craftsman proffesional 6 hp compressor.

Jody

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