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Hard starting 1941 H

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mel

04-20-2003 08:47:52




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hi all, I have a 1941 J.D. H, i had the mag rebuilt and it is working fine, but i can spin the fly wheel over for hours and can only get a putt or 2 out of it, but if you pull the tractor it starts up within 5 or 10 feet. does not seem like it has alot of compression. what is the compression to be, also what are the valves to be set at and how do you set them. thanks for all your help.




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GERRY

04-22-2003 12:07:03




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 Re: hard starting 1941 H in reply to mel, 04-20-2003 08:47:52  
I HAD THE SAME PROBLEM AND I WENT THROUGH THE MAG AND CARB AND HAD THEM REBUILT. LLISTEN TO CLOONEY HE HAS HELPED ME AND I USE AVIATION GAS IF YOU ONLY RUN IT A LITTLE WORKS GOOD AND WON'T FLOOD AND THE GAS WON'T GET STALE BUT I DO PUT A LITTLE 2 CYCLE OIL IN WITH IT.

GOOD LUCK AND THEY CAN BE FIXED.



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Clooney (long post)

04-20-2003 10:12:33




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 Re: hard starting 1941 H in reply to mel, 04-20-2003 08:47:52  
Mel, the compression should be around 80 psi [hot with choke & throttle open]..The problem with those specs is your starting problem is cold & 1st time over.

~Do the hot compression test, but also do a cold one time over test to see what you have. Obviously the more you have the first time over cold the better it will start.

~The valve clearance is .015" hot. Just get the engine hot, pull the valve cover, rotate the engine until both valves are completely closed on one cylinder & set them to .015", then do the same for the other cylinder.

~Now on your starting problem...First make sure your mag is snapping [clicking] as you turn the flywheel over cold [if it isn't you have probably found your problem]

~If the mag is snapping good at hand cranking speeds you are probably fighting a compression or carb problem.

~Things to check...

~Is the carb choke closing completely?

~Are the carb throttle shaft bushings tight on the shaft? [if it's leaking air into the carb at the bushings it won't pull fuel from the carb jets properly at hand cranking speeds]

~Is you mag snapping as the L/H impulse on the flywheel lines up with the case mark? [at 3 o'clock directly behind the flywheel]

~Are you using solid metal core plug wires & not automotive TVRS carbon core wires [that makes a big difference in starting on a mag equipped 2-cylinder Deere]

~Ok, now things to try for better starting...

~Try setting the carb needles to 2 turns out from seated for the idle needle & 1 turn out from seated for the load needle.

~Try opening the spark plug gap to about .033"

~Try advancing the mag timing about 3/8" by turning the top of the mag to the rear until the mag snaps about 1/4"-3/8" before the L/H impulse lines up with the case. [if the flywheel kicks back while starting back it off slightly]

~Try different throttle settings for starting [most of my H's over the years like almost NO throttle for starting, just off the stop pin]

~Try different choke settings for starting...full choke for once over, then 7/8 choke for once or twice more, then 1/2 choke for a couple more, basically try different combinations [those 2-cylinders can be fickle on their starting procedures]

~Make sure you are using FRESH gasoline [the old stuff doesn't ignite easily]

~If nothing works so far, leave the spark plugs in & take an old [known good] spark plug & open the gap to 3/16", then install that plug in one plug wire at a time, then lay it on the block & hand crank the engine, you need a blue spark to jump that 3/16" gap multiple times in a row for that engine to start reliably. [if you have a weak spark you have probably found your problem].

~If nothing helps so far, try putting a little 2-cycle oil in the gasoline as that can help the rings seal a little better at hand cranking speeds.

~If you have a low compression problem you can try the 2-cycle oil in the gas & also try turning the flywheel until just before compression, then get another hold of the flywheel & turn it through compression fairly briskly. The faster it gets over compression the less can leak off.....

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Jeff

04-20-2003 09:13:14




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 Re: hard starting 1941 H in reply to mel, 04-20-2003 08:47:52  
If you will check on down there is a posting from me about an hard starting B. Clooney and John T responded and they had alot of info that helped us get ours going. Alot easier than these tired old hands typing it all again:) Our prob was mainly that the mag cap and rotor we put on it was not the double point type. WE reinstalled one of those and it run alot better. Email me if you want to:)



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