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JD G for John T and Clooney

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BobC

04-17-2003 09:07:18




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thanks guys for the info. It is a 12 volt system with a delco distributer and an Echlin 64 coil. The generator has a voltage regulator with 4 terminials. 3 on one side and one on the other. The lone terminal one the one side goes to a post on the gen. One post on the other side goes to another gen post and another terminal goes to the light switch and jumps to the ignition switch and the final one goes to the amp meter. The gen is charging. I think that I will leave it as it is for the time being and run it for a year or two. Also I understand that JD put water pumps on these tractors begining at SN 60700. Mine is SN 613XX and doesnt have a water pump. Should it have one or did JD put them on as options?

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Clooney (more information)

04-17-2003 13:16:57




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 Re: JD G for John T and Clooney in reply to BobC, 04-17-2003 09:07:18  
Bob, that Echlin 64 coil is a 12 volt internally resisted ignition coil [needs no external resistor] & that coil should be used negative ground. So that right there is reason to leave your tractor negative ground. [that coil will function on a positive ground system if left negative terminal to the distributor though]
~If it is charging good now, & the ammeter is showing the correct direction & charge rate you are good to go without any changes.
~Seeing as you have a voltage regulator with [L] terminal you could easily change that system to positive ground at any time by just swapping the battery cables, swapping the wires from post to post on the ammeter, then polarizing the generator by momentarily touching a jumper wire from the [BAT] terminal on the regulator to the [A] post on the generator [you should get a spark]...That's it! you don't have to change the coil wiring or starter & everything else should be fine....
~On that water pump, I also show the water pump was added at s/n 6700 but there are many reasons yours might not have one, from not being built with it to begin with due to on hand parts being used up, to the lower tank being changed at one time to an older one that was in stock, to the book being wrong [very possible]... I haven't ever owned a G with a water pump so can't get any more specific on what you have..... .

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John T (Youre welcome, same post as below)

04-17-2003 09:55:00




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 Re: JD G for John T and Clooney in reply to BobC, 04-17-2003 09:07:18  
Hi again Bob, from your added info, I now know it doesnt have a 2 wire cut out relay or a 3 wire Voltage Regulator, but (even better actually) a 4 wire Voltage Regulator. The VR's terminal wired to the light switch is the (L) or load terminal,,,,, ,, the terminal leading to the ammeter is the VR's BAT terminal,,,,, the one to the gens smaller post is the Field,,,,, and the one (often out the bottom or other side) to the gens larger post, is the Armature. If the VR's terminal are not labeled, I cant be sure which is FLD and which is ARM (or GEN), but on many of them, the ARM/GEN is off on one side or the bottom by itself, and some have a wire out only (often the bottom) and no terminal at all. Regardless to insure, the one to the larger post on the gen is the ARM and the one to the smaller post is the Field.

NOW, if its charging okay and the ammeter is indicating in the right direction, I wouldnt worry about its polarity and leave well enough alone. If the ammeter reads backwards, just reverse its leads. NOTE some Voltage Regulators work on either pos or neg ground, others wont, which may be a possible reason to leave well enough alone if shes working. If you still just want to reverse it all for correct police or any other reasons and if your VR will work either way, you would have to:

Reverse the battery,

Re polarize the generator by momentarily jumping a wire from the VR's BAT (one you said went to ammeter) terminal down to the ARM (larger of the 2) post on the generator. CAUTION dont make any jump to the gens Field winding, either on the gen istelf or the F terminal on the VR. On those 4 wire VR's, usually the top terminals are BAT and L (load) and FLD (wired to gens Field, smaller of its 2 posts) while the wire out the bottom or other side is wired to the ARM (larger of 2) posts on the generator. Thats why I now say (knowing you have a 4 wire VR) to polarize it you momentarily jump the VR's BAT terminal direct down to the ARM post on the gen, cuz it may be hard or risky to get to the lower or opposite side of the VR and some of those only have a wire running out with no terminal at all. However, sounds like yours has a terminal you mentioned on the other side (not bottom I take it), which isnt so bad and you could polarize by jumping the BAT over to the ARM on the VR itself.

After polarization, reverse the ammeter leads if she reads backwards.

My best guess is (Sorry, I dont have any Echlin Coil number specs) since it has no external ballast resistor, you probalby have a 12 volt internally ballasted coil. If so, we (clooney and I discussed in e mails) do not recomemend you make any coil wire reversals as you might end up with the internal ballast and not the coils primary next to the condensor. If the coil is not running so hot you cant touch it and the points are not burnign out quickly, your coil situation is probably fine, as its designed for a full 12 volts and likely has around 3 ohms total internal resistance. If you just have a need to experiment, you might try reversign its leads and see if you notice any engine starting or runnign differences.

Sorry, I dont have any G spec books or SN breakdowns, but thought only the latest models out the factory had water pumps.

Thanks for the concern and support of the troops, especially my Marine son. Last word is he's fine although were not exactly sure where he is right now.

God Bless, take care, post back any more questions or if your coil runs extremely hot (may be 6 volt or have no ballast). John T Nordhoff

PS, if she dont get too hot based upon the use you put her too, I wouldnt worry about addign a water pump myself.

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